User talk:MaxPont

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A request

Please consider removing your accusations of "Ronz (and some others) has a tendency..." [1] per WP:CIVIL. If you would like me to explain myself in more detail, please do so in a civil manner. --Ronz 19:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I've refactored it [2]. I'd still like to discuss the matter with you. --Ronz 21:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

My posting was in no way incivil. What could be said about deleting other editors postings? MaxPont 21:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Should we take this to moderation? --Ronz 22:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess you're interested in escalating the stituation instead? [3]. Again, please consider removing personal accusations against me from an article's talk page. --Ronz 22:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course I am not interested in escalating. In my mind, my remarks were not personal attacks but an urge to elaborate better when refering to various Wiki-policies. MaxPont 11:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Then I'm asking you to be civil when I refactor your statements. Thanks. --Ronz 16:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Quackwatch

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you to adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy for editors, which you appear to have violated at Quackwatch. Thank you. [4], [5], [6], [7]--Ronz 16:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have been active on Wikipedia since August last year. Concerning NPOV, its not that easy. On controversial topics different authors have different opinions about what constitute NPOV. The edits you refer to have all been my attempts to move the text closer to what I think is a NPOV for the full article. MaxPont 19:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind then if I point out a few things you might find useful:

• How do I create a user subpage? - probably useful for the links above.
• Notability - describes how "All topics should meet a minimum threshold of notability."
• WP:SOURCE - describes how to properly source content, and what content is allowed.

--Ronz 19:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Health freedom movement

Introducing numerous external links is in violation of WP:NOT#LINK, WP:SPAM, and WP:EL. Sorry if you see it otherwise. --Ronz 14:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree and will respond on the Ronz Talk page. MaxPont 16:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the spam warning is necessary given that I think we can settle this quickly and easily. I'm asking for assistance in how to best handle the links. --Ronz 02:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Barrett Mediation

Your comments should probably be moved to directly under the one you're responding to. --Ronz 23:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Mind if I move it to the correct section? --Ronz 16:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I did it myself (and prefer to do it myself as long as I am active). MaxPont 15:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know what you're referring to or vice versa. I'll move it. --Ronz 16:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary & BLP concerns

Max, please be more careful with your edit summaries. Unlike BLP violations in articles and talk pages, they cannot be deleted. Your edit summary:

• (Restore: remove unsourced claim, presumably false (see: Talk))

is very close to libelous, and you have no legitimate reason to presume that the statement is false. We have deliberately limited how many awards and other notable things we care to document about him. Many more could be added and documented, but we stopped with a few. As it stands the statement is NPOV since it clearly identifies it as his claim on his website, which is allowed to be used in an article about himself. We don't take any position on the truth or falsity of the statement. We just quote the website. No one has seriously been able to show any falsity to such statements, so you need to be very careful. BLP applies to articles, talk pages, edit summaries, other editors (Barrett is an editor here), and actually anyone, even outside of Wikipedia. -- Fyslee/talk 12:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It might be NPOV, but it is also factually incorrect. Or would you claim that Barrett has written 50 books (which is the natural implication of the statement "His 50 books" on his bio page)? By the way, who are "we"? MaxPont 17:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Good faith

So you're accusing me of making edits in bad faith now? [8]--Ronz 15:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like an apology, or a very detailed explanation of what you are claiming I did in bad faith at least. --Ronz 16:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I honestly don't understand how you make that URL into me accusing you of bad faith edits. Please give a detailed explanation. MaxPont 10:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

"Intro/ restore, good faith further edits are welcome"" --Ronz 15:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

No response? --Ronz 14:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I can't take responsibility for how other editors interpret my edits. Ever heard about the word touchy? MaxPont 15:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You can explain yourself though. --Ronz 16:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Quackwatch

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Quackwatch. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. --Ronz 21:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You are highly involved in this controversy yourself. An edit war warning message is only OK if it is justified and a neutral party posts it. You are not in the position to patronize me. MaxPont 09:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Please note that adding warnings to others talk pages in error is considered vandalism. I've been following WP:DR and WP:CON trying to get you to do the same.

I'll give anyone a 3rr warning when I think it fits. If you don't like that, take whatever action you see fit. If you choose action that's disruptive or worse, I will let you know yet again.

I'm not patronizing you. Please AGF. I've tried to settle these disputes and you've been uncooperative. I'm not the one here reverting your edits with the comment, "good faith further edits are welcome" --Ronz 14:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Stephen Barrett

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. [9] [10] --Ronz 23:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I am relly sorry and would like to apologize. My post was not intended as a personal attack. I tried to be funny but it obviously backfired. MaxPont 18:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Ronz 15:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Public figure

Very good point. [11] I agree. --Ronz 15:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirecting to Health freedom movement

What's your rationale to redirecting all those sites? You're going against consensus without discussion as far as I can tell. -- Ronz  15:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

All references to QPW were removed from the Quackwatch article. A redirect to QW is therefore pointless. The closest article seemed to be the HFM article. The alternative is to delete the Redirect pages. MaxPont 18:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The "alternative" is to keep those consensus redirects in place. The purpose (even indicated by the title!) of QPW is to smear Quackwatch, but since it fails all inclusion criteria here so miserably as to be banned as a source or reference for any purpose, the solution was to leave redirects there, in lieu of an actual link to the site, since doing that would violate multiple policies. Please respect consensus and restore them. Rather than redirects to QW being "pointless", that is actually "the whole point." Only those who participated in the long and arduous struggles about that subject can be expected to fully understand, so please respect their decision. -- Fyslee/talk 20:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

What long worked out consensus? Show it to me. If I understand it right there was a proposal to merge the Quackwatch and Quackpotwatch articles that was rejected. Later the Tim Bolen and Quackpotwatch articles were deleted but QPW was still mentioned in the QW article. Finally all references to QPW were removed. A user searching for “Tim Bolen” will be redirected to an article on a different subject and there is nothing in that article to explain why the redirect was made. Totally confusing. The redirects to the HFM article was in my opinion the closest match I could think of. However, a delete of these redirects would be fine with me, though I don’t know how it is done (request for speedy delete?). MaxPont 10:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Ordinarily, redirects to deleted pages can be speedy-deleted (see WP:CSD, R1). I'd be happy to do so, but given that there's some controversy about QPW, perhaps listing them at redirects for discussion would be more appropriate? I don't want to act unilaterally here, so I won't delete them unless everyone is OK with their speedy deletion. MastCell ^Talk 23:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Either deletion or discussion is fine with me, though I'd rather the discussion given what's already been said here. -- Ronz  23:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes please, a speedy delete is fine with me. I think it is a clear case: (all references to QPW removed all over WP, etc.) MaxPont 07:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can list them here for me, I'll take a look at them with an eye toward deleting those that are clear redirects to QPW (e.g. Tim Bolen). MastCell ^Talk 20:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

These are the redirect pages that ought to be deleted:

Quackpotwatch

Tim Bolen

Quackpotwatch.org

Quackpot Watch

Quackpot watch

MaxPont 12:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted them, and I'll leave a note at Talk:Quackwatch to this effect. Since they were initially redirects to Quackpotwatch, a now-deleted article, and the Quackwatch article contains no mention of QPW, I think the deletion is appropriate. If anyone has a problem with it, let me know and I'm happy to undelete the redirects and send it to WP:RfD instead. MastCell ^Talk 18:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Good point re: Talk:Stephen Barrett

You have a good point. In the future, I'll just make it clear that I'm not changing my opinion from that expressed in my previous comments, or that the issues have already been addressed in past discussions. -- Ronz  19:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

re: QuackGuru on Talk:Stephen Barrett

I think you should take another look at your recent comment [12]:

• "In spite of the incivility by Mr Guru, I will comment on the posting."

-- Ronz  23:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Coral calcium

As you are probably aware, there has been edit-warring concerning the very edit you made to Coral calcium. Please contribute to the talk page and work toward consensus rather than participating in an edit war. Thanks. -- Ronz  02:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

RfM Stephen Barrett

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Request for Mediation

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Mediation was declined

Your request for others to "Please explain your grounds for not accepting the DR mechanism" borders on harassment. The dispute should be long over. Your saying, "The result of your refusal to accept mediation is that the dispute will continue" almost comes across as a threat. There's certainly no reason why the dispute should continue. Please carefully consider WP:DR WP:CON, WP:CIVIL, and WP:DE before pushing this issue any further. Thanks. --Ronz 16:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Your continued focus on individuals and the decisions they've made that you personally don't like is becoming a serious problem. Please stop. --Ronz 14:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop bullying me. MaxPont 17:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that you feel like expressing that. You have the issue reversed. I'm taking it to a third party. --Ronz 14:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a note to document the following: Ronz archived the talk page section.(diff) (diff) After you had reverted both edits, I removed the section once again from the Barrett talk page (no consensus required to remove stuff like this. how does violating WP:TALK, WP:CON, WP:CIVIL, and WP:HARRASS help build an encyclopedia?). You are invited to make your points without (restoring) policy violations that poison the atmosphere. Avb ÷ talk 21:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Health freedom artists

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Sockpuppetry

Are you a sockpuppet of User:TheDoctorIsIn? ScienceApologist (talk) 06:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

• Chill out and stop harassing me. MaxPont (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I would appreciate a straightforward answer to my straightforward question. ScienceApologist (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)