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may you rot in hell for all your lies, frisco dike
==Vandalism on Falun Gong page==
Removing an entire section of an article is considered to be [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|page-blanking vandalism]]. If you persist in this behavior, I will alert an administrator. Wikipedia is about consensus. It is not up to one person to remove material he or she does not like. [[User:Jeff Fenstermacher|Jeff Fenstermacher]] 23:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

:Hey, lighten up Jeff. It's not always vandalism to remove a section of an article. I just did the very same thing myself. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_and_controversies_about_Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=52360656] What matters is the '''purpose''' of the removal. I moved an unsourced claim to talk. (I know it's a bit confusing, since Luo himself seems to be the source. Jump into the discussion at [[Talk:Criticism and controversies about Falun Gong]] if you really want to get involved. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 19:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

You wrote "creating a section where it does not belong is a form of vandalism." This is incorrect. It is ''only your opinion'' this does not belong. It cannot be removed on one person's say alone. If you persist, I will ask an administrator to block your account.[[User:Jeff Fenstermacher|Jeff Fenstermacher]] 23:13, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. <!-- Template:Blank3 --> [[User:Jeff Fenstermacher|Jeff Fenstermacher]] 23:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia under the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that nobody may [[Wikipedia:revert|revert]] an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the ''effect'' of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.<!-- Template:3RR --> --[[User:Pilotguy|<font color="#000000">'''Pil'''</font>]][[User:Pilotguy/Esperanza|<font color="green">'''o'''</font>]][[User:Pilotguy|<font color="#000000">'''t|'''</font>]][[User_talk:Pilotguy|<font color="#0000FF"><b>guy</b></font>]][[Image:Flughafensymbol.png|30px]] 23:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

==[[Falun Gong]]==

I have blocked both you and [[User:Jeff Fenstermacher]] for an hour for violating [[WP:3RR]]. I have made it a short block in the hope that you will both [[WP:COOL|cool down]] before your blocks expire. --[[User:Samuel Blanning|Sam Blanning]]<sup>[[User_talk:Samuel_Blanning|(talk)]]</sup> 23:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Your recent edit to [[Falun Gong]] was reverted by an '''automated bot''' that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept our apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. '''[[User:Tawkerbot2/FAQ|Click here]]''' for '''frequently asked questions''' about the bot and this warning. // [[User:Tawkerbot2|Tawkerbot2]] 19:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

==Falun Gong pics==

A few pics is fine IMHO. Better than a huge block of text. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 23:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

For an article this size, one per section wouldn't be too much IMHO. Of course that just means the article's too large. Wanna help work on breaking it down into separate articles and summarizing for the main one? [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 00:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

== FLG ==

Hi. I'm afraid the idea of having two articles won't fly. I took a day off because I was bit frustrated myself. I hope in a day or two it will settle down again. The next thing we can do if it doesn't is request page protection. I'd protect it myself, but I've done a lot of editing on it. Hang in there! --[[User:Fire Star|Fire Star]] 04:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
==Falun Dafa==
Dear Friend,
I really dont know why you keep deleting relevant and factual material from the Falun Dafa page. Please think about it isnt the information critical in bringing to light the terrible atrocities being commited against people like you and me? Could we be true to our own conscience if we knowingly try to cover that up? Why would anybody want to support the persecution by covering up all the truth? They say that all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

All I am requesting you to do is to be true to your own conscience. Thank you.
[[User:Dilip rajeev|Dilip rajeev]] 14:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

==Let's talk==
Samuel. you mentioned that you want to keep reverting unless someone stops you. ok. I would not get a war with you. I will try to invite a mediator /admin to check who is doing vandalism. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 00:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)



== Idea of Falun Gong page ==
It is our common hope to end the revert war. There has to be end to the persecution of Falun Gong too. Each day we watch the verifiable death number increases, practitioners in China are dying each day. And that may just be a tip of iceberg.

I have said we don't intend simply deleting. Regarding the new page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&direction=prev&oldid=54980182], I have come up ideas of putting a paragraph of critism for each paragraph of non-critism and shorten the "health research" part. Dilip has said he can delete the "awards" part. Does that sound better? I go back to the old page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&direction=next&oldid=54979327], I noticed that most critism parts concentrated in one section. And other parts (ethics, foreign views) actually contain critism. So I think my new idea is fair. I will try to edit a sample page with my new idea for you to check. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 15:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, we have to admit that not all critism has a right base. For example, those based on unfactual things, based on misunderstanding, based on personal website. Again, we have to be neutral and balanced. But we have to be factual. We can not pursue the balance just for the sake of balance. That will create false things with actual inbalance. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 15:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The deaths of Falun Gong members are the responsibility and fault of Falun Gong. Does the government persecute murderers by imprisoning them? No, because murder is not a religion. Nor is Falun Gong. Falun Gong are a cult, are murderers, and a terrorist organisation. [[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] 18:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] I don't understand why you left me this message. Is this your response to one of my edits? The FAlun Gong is a cult, I have no doubt about that. However I don't think practitioners are murderers and the Falun gong is not a terrorist organisation. --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 05:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I made this point in regards to your reference of "persecution" against Falun Gong. The term "persecution" means the immoral oppression of one group by another, and the actions of the Chinese Government can therefore not be considered "persecution". Falun Gong practitioners ARE murderers, as evidenced by the hundreds of cases of relatives and friends murdered by Falun Gong practitioners for their opposition to Falun Gong, or in some cases for having a wheel of law spinning the "evil" way. They are a terrorist organisation as evidenced by cases including the previously mentioned murders, the hijacking of a television satellite, sending of anthrax-laced packages, threatening of medical practitioners among many other activities. [[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] 10:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

==Criticism and controversies of Falun Gong page==

Would you explain on the talk page why you removed three paragraphs? I'm not saying you were right or wrong to do so, I'm just asking you to share your reasons with the rest of us. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 02:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you for the message. I'm willing to accept any edit that is backed up by a good explanation, sound logic and/or solid references. It's the unexplained ones that usually cause problems. Now if anybody challenges I can pull up all of the deletions and they can be considered in context. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 18:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

== RE:Dilip rajeev just violated the 3RR rule ==

I need to see all four reverts given to me in link form. Your browser's time is different from mine (I set mine to Wikimedia server time). Also, if Dilip violated 3RR I will decide how much time if any he gets. I don't "need" to block him for 24... blocks are preventative, not punitive. -- <font color="#FF0000">'''Миборовский'''</font> <sup>[[User:Miborovsky|U]]|[[User talk:Miborovsky|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Miborovsky|C]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Miborovsky|M]]|[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">E</font>]]|[[User:Miborovsky#Chugoku Banzai?|Chugoku Banzai]]!</sup> 01:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

== Falun Gong edits ==

You need to discuss major edits in more detail on the talk page. I'm reverting your changes to the intro until such time as agreement is reached in discussion. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 17:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Samuel, once again I'm going to urge you to participate on the talk page more. There's several outstanding discussions about the intro that you haven't joined (1st and 2nd paragraph). Why don't you put your revised suggestion for the third paragraph on the talk page so we can discuss it? [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 19:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

:I think our messages crossed. See my suggestions above. You might also want to see the message I left for Dilip on his page. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 19:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

::Thank you. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 19:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not a reflection on you at all. Dilip objected to them, I looked, there were edits that we hadn't discussed, so I reverted back to the last version ''I thought'' we had consensus on until the dispute is resolved. I didn't want to go all the way back to the frozen version, hoping that we could keep some of the progress. That seemed possible with the 3rd paragraph but not the first. Please, don't take it personally. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 22:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I wont do private deals with you, I will only follow the wikipedia policies. The NY times is a verifiable source that meets wiki standards and so the figure will stay.
[[User:Dilip rajeev|Dilip rajeev]] 18:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

==Falun Gong==

Hi Samuel,

I see that you can still edit the Falun Gong talk page.
I did not figure out how to do it, since it is still blocked.

Could you please put the following regarding the vandalism in there for me? Thanks. Here it goes:

"I think i figured out what happened.
The vandalism basicly only contained personal insults against users who are obviously a bit critical regarding Falun Gong.
The vandalism occurred only on the Falun Gong talk page and some related user pages,
and after the talk page was blocked the vandalism also immedeatly seeized (which is strange because he could have easily continued on the user pages or the still unprotected article page, which also should be a way more interesting target).

Also on the German Wikipedia this kind of vandalism basicly never occurred, because ussually the reason for vandalism is people forcibly trying to get their point of view into an article... talk pages are not interresting to them.

So I think whoever did this, did not actually want to vandalize anything or insult anybody,
but just continued to vandalize the talk page so as to get the talk page blocked.

Why would he want to do this? Because as I said before the goal of vandalism is basicly always to forcibly influence article pages.
If the talk page is blocked it will limit the number of people who can discuss the Falun Gong article to Administrators, and currently there don't seem to be many Falun Gong pactitioner among Wikipedia Administrators. Now since Falun gong practitioners could no longer discuss the topic, they could only directly change the article.
But any change they made, was immeadiatly kicked out, saying that it was not discussed on the talk page.

So now it looked as though Falun Gong practitioners where vandalising the article page, and since whoever vandalized the talk page only insulted users critical of Falun Gong, it even looked as though they might be the vandals.

And I belive this is exactly what the vandal wanted to achieve.--[[User:Hoerth|Hoerth]] 12:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)"

Is it so hard to believe that a Falun Gong practitioner could be vandalising Wikipedia? They're willing to commit murder, vandalising Wikipedia is nothing if they feel it's in their interests. [[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] 15:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== biography ==
Hi, Samuel. As of discussion yesterday. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong#Li_Hongzhi_biography]. nobody said anything about adding edits from the same biography you guys like so much. Please do not delete it. Thanks. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 19:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

== 3RR ==


{| class="user-block"
|| [[Image:Octagon-warning.png|left|30px| ]]
|| You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.
|}<!-- Template:3RR5 --> -- '''[[User talk:Miborovsky|<font color="#FF0000">Миборовский</font>]]''' 20:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

== Chen's reply ==
Hi Samuel, here's the link.
[http://www.president.gov.tw/1_epaper/periodical/237aydywy/ch000022/main.htm]

You're welcome. I posted a short paragraph in the FLG discussion page. Feel free to ask questions either there or on my talk page. --[[User:Yenchin|Yenchin]] 23:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

== RE:Fnhddzs on FG page again violated the 3RR rules ==

The earliest 2 links don't look like reverts to me, and least not the same ones as the last 2. -- '''[[User talk:Miborovsky|<font color="#FF0000">Миборовский</font>]]''' 23:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:OK, thanks for the reply. -- '''[[User talk:Miborovsky|<font color="#FF0000">Миборовский</font>]]''' 00:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
FUCK MIBOVROSKY AND SAMUEL LUO..FIRESTART TOO..U LUITTL \E BITCHES

== Your website ==

It's against Wikipedia policy for you to add your own website. Please read [[WP:EL|this guide]] on External Links, specifically the paragraph at the bottom of the section "Links to normally avoid." That's where I got my edit summary, word for word, when I removed it earlier and just a while ago from the Li Hongzhi article.
{{cquote|Because of neutrality & point-of-view concerns, a primary policy of Wikipedia is that no one from a particular site/organization should post links to that organization/site etc.}}

Also see number 11 under that section for how to go about it.
- [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 01:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I did not post my website on wikipedia. This website was created in 2003, at the time it was possibly the only critical site of the FG. Obviously some editors find it informative so they posted it here long before I started editing. Old timers like firestar and Miborovsky would know. --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 05:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

===Links to normally avoid===
# Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research, unless it is the official site of the article's subject or it is a [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]] proponent of a point of view in an article with multiple points of view. (See [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Using online sources|Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] for further information on this guideline.)
# In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of [[WP:FA|brilliant prose]].
# Links that are added to promote a site. See [[Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming|External link spamming]].
# Sites that primarily exist to sell products or services.
# Sites with objectionable amounts of advertising.
# Sites that require payment to view the relevant content.
# Sites that are inaccessible to a significant proportion of the online community (for example, sites that only work with a specific brand of browser).
# Sites that require external applications (such as Flash or Java) to view the relevant content unless (1) it is the official site of the subject of the article, (2) the article is about those media, or (3) the site is being cited as a reference.
# Foreign-language sites, unless it is the official site of the subject of the article or it contains visual aids such as maps, diagrams, or tables. (See [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Foreign-language sites|WP:MOS-L]] for further information on this guideline.)
# Bookstore sites, instead use [[Wikipedia:ISBN|the "ISBN" linking format]] which gives readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources.
# A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article). If it is relevant and informative, mention it as a possible link on the talk page and wait for someone else to include it, or include the information directly in the article.
# [[Blog]]s, [[social networking service|social networking sites]] (such as [[MySpace]]) and forums should generally not be linked to. Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard.
If it weren't already linked, I'd have added Samuel's site. His article is one of a number of resources my organisation uses here in Australia in regards to awareness about Falun Gong.[[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] 12:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:And that's fine. The point is that Samuel can't add Samuel's website. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 13:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] Thanks for your support. --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 19:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

CovenantD is absolutely correct here. Mr. Luo, I am going to converse with CovenantD. We will provide an adequate timeline for removing your website from the page. No conflict of interest should be available on Wikipedia. No hard feelings, ok?
[[User:71.106.174.113|71.106.174.113]] 03:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Since Phanatical has indicated that s/he would add it anyway, I feel no need to take part in removing it from the Falun Gong article. Any attempts by this anon IP will be met with resistance. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 03:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

== Consensus vote ==
Don't get me wrong. I asked clearly is this a consensus '''vote'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong#Deadline_for_1st_paragraph]. , I did not ask about deadline! It is outrageous you are doing so!
[[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 05:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

==No vandalism, no revert war==
Please stop. If you continue to [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalize]] pages, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. <!-- Template:Test3 (Third level warning) -->

Please respect the agreement that it is a consensus vote[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong#Deadline_for_1st_paragraph]. Do not revert since it is not a consensus vote. Thanks. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 06:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

You ARE cheating! The first half has nothing to do with MY question. I was asking
<blockquote>
Can I assume this is a consensus vote? Fnhddzs 00:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
</blockquote>[[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 06:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

== Falun Gong ==

Hello Samuel. What I suggest is that you await the result of the straw poll on the opening paragraph (Samuel's second suggestion) and use that as the consensus for the opening paragraph. As I explained on [[User:Fnhddzs]]'s page, the straw poll, in my opinion, overrides any previously thought of consensus. Give it a couple of days for the straw poll to complete and for all heads to cool, then I'll unprotect and we can go on the basis of the results of the poll. Cheers -- [[User:Samir_(The_Scope)|Samir]] <small>[[User_talk:Samir_(The_Scope)|धर्म]]</small> 07:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

===my 1st paragraph edits===
I see the two as very different things. I waited one day (from 01:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC) to 01:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)) to give people time to comment on the proposed addition by Fnhddzs, which consisted of three words. Tomananda was the only one who did, and he was okay with the addition. I don't see two hours as being sufficient time on a decision this large, especially if it's going to become the subject of revert war. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 14:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Discussion of those three words happened [[Talk:Falun_Gong#Addition_to_1st_sentence|here]]. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 18:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:*It is clear now that CovenantD said it is a consensus vote. He said both you and me are right. I don't owe you an apology. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 18:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::I also made it clear that I was referring specifically to the deadline in that instance, but that in general everything is done by consensus, per Wikipedia policy. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 18:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Samuel. I am sorry that people wrote that. But please, how do you know they are practitioners? Did they claim they are practitioners? Even if they claim they are, those behavoirs are really bad and do not qualify the standard. I think you could escalate the issue to admins if this continues to happen. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 00:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC) Samuel. By the way, I did a search for you. the IP of 164.67.44.91 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=164.67.44.91] is from UCLA[http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=164.67.44.91]. [[User:Fnhddzs|Fnhddzs]] 00:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Fnhddzs, although I am strongly against the FG, I have respect for most practitioners. As you know my parents are both practitioners and over the years I have met many of their fellow cultivators who I believe are good people. But that doesn’t meant there isn’t any bad actor in the FG. This person in his response implies that he is one and I believe that. Anyway, thanks for doing the research for me, I located the address of that IP after his recent attack using the same tool. :-) --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 04:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

== Li's article ==

I'm surprised you don't want to keep at least part of this;
:As practitioners started spreading Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi stipulated that promoting the Falun Gong could never be done for fame and money, practitioners must not accept any fee, donation or gift in return of their voluntary promotion of the practice[http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new_3.html#10]. Falun Gong claims that Li Hongzhi's insistence that the practice be offered free of charge caused a rift with the China Qigong Research Society, the state administrative body under which Falun Dafa was initially introduced, and Li withdrew from the organization. However religious leaders of the Chinese Buddhist Association and Buddhist writers at the time published a number of critiques of Li's Falun Dafa. They pointed out how Li had changed the meanings of many traditional Buddhist terms, stating that because of those changes Falun Dafa could not be considered part of the Buddhist traditon and was heretical to that tradition.

I think it needs some rewording, but it seems relevant to Li himself in that it reflects both his stated position on fees and donations his relationship with the China Qigong Research Society and the Chinese Buddhist Assoc. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 04:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

As I said, it needs rewording. The first two points seems to be interconnected. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 20:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

===Lead section===
:He teaches that his “great law" is boundless and judging mankind. It is weeding out "the dregs of humanity and the degenerate world" in a process called "Fa-rectification." Claiming to be the only one who is offering salvation to mankind, Li promises to turn his disciples into gods if they follow the moral requirements of his Dafa and expose what he considers to be the evil regime in China.

This is almost word for word the text that Tomananda submitted and other rejected for the lead section of the Falun Gong article. It's inclusion in the Li article appears to be an attempt to have it on wikipedia despite the controversy. It's certainly not appropriate for the lead section of Li's article. Try rewording it and finding an appropriate space within the article. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 20:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

== Falun Gong talk page ==

Please point out where I modified other people's words on the Falun Gong talk page. Your comment implies that I have done so. --[[User:HResearcher|HResearcher]] 16:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

You modified the header of Mr. He's post. --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 18:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:We aren't allowed to change misleading/false headers in talk pages? --[[User:HResearcher|HResearcher]] 09:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it misleading/false? How is it different from this header "Chinese government mass organ harvesting of Falun Gong prisoners" from a practitioner? --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 18:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

== Request for mediation ==

{{RFM-Request|Falun Gong}} --[[User:Fire Star|Fire Star 火星]] 14:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

==FLG Chinese Wiki indefinitely locked==
I see you posted in the Chinese wiki. Welcome to the chaos :P. The situation is even worse there. They don't seem to have a mediation policy so I requested a lock around June. "Elegance" is a known FLG troll in tw.bbs.soc.religion so I know it is no use reasoning with him. --[[User:Yenchin|Yenchin]] 15:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==LHZ Pictures==
Hi Samuel, sorry for the late reply. I've uploaded the LHZ pictures and did a little testing on my talk page, I'm not sure on how you're going to use them on the LHZ wiki page so I didn't do anything on the LHZ page. Feel free to tell me how you plan to use and describe the pictures. I'm looking foward to see your plans with the "Li above Buddhas" picture. --[[User:Yenchin|Yenchin]] 06:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, it's quite strange that the pictures have been deleted quickly. I couldn't find anything on the wiki deletion log so I don't know the actual reason. I'll try uploading the set again. --[[User:Yenchin|Yenchin]] 03:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

And they're deleted again...I'm not familiar with the regulations so I think I'll just give up. You'll probably have to find someone else. Sorry.--[[User:Yenchin|Yenchin]] 06:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Giving you a heads-up, Wikipedia has requested the info of the authors and copyrights of the photos. I've sent an e-mail to minghui.net for a few days but they still haven't responded. If they're still playing dumb the pics would probably be down by the 19th. --[[User:Yenchin|Yenchin]] 14:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Falun Gong mediation ==

The '''Teachings of Falun Gong''' article is included in the official mediation request, which is made clear by the tag at the very beginning of the page. Even if the article is not locked, your involvement in a revert war shows lack of concern for the other party, and I respectfully urge you to stop and present your case to the mediator. Thank you. ---[[User:Olaf Stephanos|Olaf Stephanos]] 19:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

will get back to you tomorrow, too tired to respond after a day of work. --[[User:Samuel Luo|Samuel Luo]] 05:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

== Arbcom ==

Informal mediator [[User:Wikizach|<font color="red">Wiki</font>]][[WP:EA|<font color="green">e</font>]]Zach| [[User talk:Wikizach|<font color="#461B7E">talk</font>]] is preparing to move the [[Falun Gong]] mediation case to the [[Wikipedia:Arbcom]]. I have been asked to alert concerned (to the best of my knowledge) editors about this matter. Thank you. --[[User:Fire Star|Fire Star 火星]] 22:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

== Your comment on my talk page ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jsw663#Falun_Gong_page_intro Replied].

: Also, I don't see why you insist on saying that FLG's teachings are religious. What is so religious about them? Is there a need to quote more FLG? [[User:Jsw663|Jsw663]] 14:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

==you bitchass trick==

you motherfucken homo commie lover. you are a liar and i am going to keep exposing you for the piece of dogshit you are. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/211.171.58.166|211.171.58.166]] ([[User talk:211.171.58.166|talk]]) 13:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Three revert rule violations ==

Concerning the ongoing edit wars on Falun Gong related pages, please try to avoid violating the [[WP:3rr|three revert rule]] when discussion is still an option, as Wikipedia won't explode if a preferred version isn't up constantly. By not reverting edit wars can calm down and there can be left room for discussion, because either way, if protection comes along, it would be [[m:The wrong version]] anyway. I have blocked [[user:HappyInGeneral]] for reverting the edits of multiple users, but have not blocked you as you were one of several editors who reverted him (and he was removing information as opposed to adding). Nonetheless, I would recommend if you intend to make changes on the pages, it would be best to do a little bit at a time instead of a mass article change, as otherwise people have a hard time determining the contents of hte change and are much more likely to revert it. Thank you. <font color="DarkGreen">[[User:Cowman109|Cowman109]]</font><sup>[[User talk:Cowman109|Talk]]</sup> 22:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


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== [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Falun Gong|Falun Gong mediation]] ==

Hello, I'm sorry it's been awhile, but I recently agreed to mediate that case. I don't know if it's a stale issue, so it would be good if a few of you let me know whether or not mediation is still needed. Since there are so many of you, I'm going to assume that all of you agree to me mediating until and unless I am told otherwise. I'm also going to assume public mediation is fine, unless someone asks for [[Wikipedia:Mediation#Why_should_mediation_be_confidential.3F|private]] mediation, or I come to think private mediation might be better. I would, however, appreciate it if you just said something there to let me know if you are still around. Also, assuming you are still interested in mediation, please watchlist the page if you haven't already. Thanks! [[User:Armedblowfish |Armedblowfish]] ([[User_talk:Armedblowfish |talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Armedblowfish |mail]]) 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)



==Hi Samuel,==

Please stop discriminating against Falun Gong. I know you are offended because Falun Gong say's homosexuality is bad
and should be given up by practitioners. But that was never spread in society, and they don't at all discriminate against homosexuals. I know because I lived together with an homosexual and did Falun Gong at the same time. And none of the Falun Gong guys suggested that I should not live together with someone gay or whatever.

So they didn't hurt you, but you are hurting them. You say the persecution should be stopped. But how could it stop as long as there are people like you who are spreading all that Communist Propaganda used to demonize them? You are so full of hatred, you even spy on Falun Gong people so as to find stuff you could use against them. But on the other hand you called the report about the concentration camps and the organ harvesting a lie without even trying to proof or disproof the arguments contained therein. Don't you care if those people are killed? They are killed and regarded as worthless precisly because of that propaganda you are spreading. So now instead of making up fake posts, why don't you say something about the report on the organ harvesting itself as well as the recent speaches by David Kligour (you can find them on YouTube).

Sincerely
--[[User:Hoerth|Hoerth]] 20:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Samuel isn't discriminating against Falun Gong. Samuel is highlighting the atrocities committed by Falun Gong, and the immoral activities endorsed by Falun Gong. Falun Gong is a cult, and Samuel is absolutely right in highlighting their disgusting activities. Further, he has, in fact, quite convincingly disproved the organ harvesting claims on his website and all the other lies perpetuated by Falun Gong against the Chinese government. I would ask you if YOU care if people are killed, because it's Falun Gong that are killing people every day. [[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] 02:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)



Now instead of trying to create hatred where it does not exist, why don't you just go down to the subject matter and answer me personaly. There are no arguments in your article regarding ANY of the 18 different kinds of evidence as described in the Kilgour-Matas report. You are basicly only mentioning the guided tour to Sujiatun Hospital and therefore concluding that organ harvesting in any of the other locations (at least 36 have been reporteted) doesn't exist. Do you think CCP can't manage to clean up an OPERATING TABLE in more than 3 weeks? Why where no tours to any of the other locations allowed? CCP reported itself that it has done over 40.000 Organ transplant operation since the persecution. There are only about 2.000 executed prisoners a year, and certainly not all of them are natches, and certainly not all of them agreed to be "harvested". So where do they come from? (keep in mind that organs will die after a few hours, yet CCP claims they can find you even a matching heart within a couple of days).

Now it is possible that i didn't get it right. But it is all mentioned in the report. So why don't you go read it, and THEN try to discredit the specific arguments contained THEREIN. By the way Amnesty International is also doing it's own research regarding the organ harvesting on Falun Gong. Amnesty also said ". This is primarily average citizens of China who are exercising their fundamental rights. As a human rights organization, we did not document even one single incident where a Falun Gong member has hurt even an average citizen in their practices. They've never done any harm to other people, so why do you round up these people and imprison them?"
--[[User:Hoerth|Hoerth]] 18:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Both Samuel and myself will testify to seeing firsthand, the hurt Falun Gong has caused to both members, and non-members. [[User:Phanatical|Phanatical]] 09:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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Welcome!

You motherfucker. Lying chinky bastardo.

may you rot in hell for all your lies, frisco dike

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