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Race and intelligence

Please stop adding {{totallydisputed}} to this article. If there is a dispute among editors, someone else should add it. I don't want to ban you from editing this article but I don't want to have a revert war over this, either. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 22:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The relevant provision in your probation is where it says that you may be banned if in the opinion of any administrator your editing is disruptive. I am an administrator and I say your editing is disruptive. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 23:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

You are banned from editing Race and intelligence for two weeks. Do not edit the article during this time or I will have to block you. I would suggest you not edit the talk page either but that's up to you. I think you need some time off to cool your heels. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 00:43, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory

You have violated the 3RR on Conspiracy theory. Please undo your last edit. Please don't disrupt Wikipedia. -Willmcw 02:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Calling those with whom you are editing "vandals" while insisting on your own good faith doesn't wash. -Willmcw 02:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Karmafist 05:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi; I urge you to stop characterizing those of us who disagree with you as duplicitous and POV bots; That whole coordinated-gang-of-POV-pushers motif just antagonizes people. Please refrain from personal attacks on the talk page, and especially in the edit summaries.

I have not always lived up to my own aspirations in that regard, so I understand it's difficult not to take the opportunity to get in a snarky shot. We all feel strongly about this, and we all want to produce a good page. Some tension is inevitable.

Further, I want to take this chance to tell you that I regret my remarks to you from 25 October, when you might have understood me to suggest you were "sophomoric and inane." I did not intend to apply that to you or your writing, but to the result of what I saw as an out-of-control process. I expressed myself badly, and I am sorry to have made what a reasonable man could take as a personal attack.

I have invited you before to join me in limiting yourself to one edit per day. I renew that invitation now. If that seems too restrictive, how about one edit to the introduction per day? Tom Harrison ^(talk) 17:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

"The way 'conspiracy theory' discredits is it implies dubiousness through implied association (or through literal language recursive definition confusion) with the highly dubious 'conspiracy theory' narrative genre." This needs to be included and expanded upon in the article. --Peter McConaughey 03:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I dispute Jayjg's block for "personal attacks"

For the record I dispute Jayjg's block of me for "personal attacks" (and he has yet to notify me on my talk page). Given the history of the Conspiracy theory article it is perfectly reasonable to interpret that a bot-like highly coordinated cabal of editors do everything in their power to defend or implement a certain POV. Why do Jayjg and his POV aligned friends always seem to show up to the same article at the same time? Why do Jayjg and his friends have exactly the same POV? They never seem to debate the core issues of any controversy on the talk page. zen master T 19:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Still waiting for Jayjg or someone to explain their actions. Also, why does a coordinated group of editors try so relentlessly to implement the same (subtle propaganda?) POV on specific, politically sensitive, articles within wikipedia without ever debating in good faith on the talk page? zen master T 22:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

It's amazing a group of suspiciously coordinated admins can gang up on a minority view point without any repurcussions here on wikipedia. I am still waiting for various explanations. zen master T 04:43, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I invite the coordinated pro "conspiracy theory" editors to responded to my most recent talk page posts even though I am currently blocked from editing, hopefully a lively debate will spring up and the issues will resolve themselves with fresh editors (unlikely but one can dream). Oh wait, the coordinated editors don't actually care to debate the core of most any issue, and they may be propagandists or otherwise play games, oh I forgot, sorry, never mind. zen master T 05:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a debating society. Our only purpose is to write encyclopedia articles that summarize verifiable information in an NPOV manner. However, for what it's worth, this topic has already been debated at length. Insisting on continuous debate is disruptive. -Willmcw 00:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Just heard from Jayjg

I'll continue talking to him, and I think there's some promise in smoothing any miscommunications out, but in order to do so, I think you're probably going to have to do the following things...

1. Extend an olive branch to Jayjg or anyone else you have a dispute with: You don't need to apologize or what have you, but saying "Even though we might disagree, I'll still respect you if you respect me" will go a long way.
2. Don't try to be a robot: This is just my opinion, but I think 100% NPOV is impossible, even on Wikipedia, unless you basically are not a human being. Humans have desires and fears and all sorts of things that tint our perspectives on subjects. I try to aim for the 90-99% NPOV range, and don't always get there IMO, but the goal itself is a noble enough endeavor and is the heart of WP:NPOV. Then again, if you are actually a robot, I apologize for what I just said and I'll suggest you stay away from any magnets or electromagnetic pulses.
3. Try to steer clear of any subject that might be discussed on the X-Files or a Sunday morning talk show: You don't have to if you don't want to, but from looking at this and the rfar, that seems to be where you're having the bulk of your problems. I disagree with all the baloney about Cabals and such, because a true Wikipedian must try to work with, respect and seek the opinions of other Wikipedians, in both the positive and negative. Next time you're in a case like you were at with conspiracy theory, ask others on the outside for advice and comments on what they think, and if a tag or an edit is put back and forth, instead of continuing with it, ask the person who disagrees with you why they do and try to figure out some middle ground -- the English Language is wonderful at doing this.
4. Follow one of the most important rules i've found regarding others on Wikipedia: There are three types of people out there -- the ones that disagree with you, the ones that agree with you, and the ones that are indifferent to your opinion(the third being the vast majority). If you're nice to people, both directly and reputation-wise, those indifferent people are more likely to say "yeah sure, what you're saying sounds fine to me." karmafist 13:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok...

Do what you like, but that's my two cents in being able to fix things. From what it looks like though, this path you're on seems like it will breed more conflict. I'd also suggest looking at this page and then, you're on your own unless you ask for any more advice. I've learned my lesson and i'm not going to try to help out someone that doesn't seem to want to be helped. karmafist 01:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh yeah, i've been noticing the contradiction in regards to when policy step on each others toes lately, particularly with WP:IAR. I have an idea though, keep your eyes on the Village Pump in the next few days.

Extension of probation

It has been suggested by SlimVirgin that your probation be extended to include Conspiracy theory, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Zen-master. I have suggested probation be extended to all articles and made indefinite. You may reply there. Fred Bauder 02:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome

And if you don't mind, a bit of advice. I'd suggest you really, really try not to get too reiterative with your edits and 'in the moment' about your opinions - the Wikipedia will be here a long, long time - so if you find you're a lone voice, you need to respect that and find other, more constructive ways to ensure your contributions are useful and worthy of being retained in the Wikipedia. If your opinions don't 'stick', give it time and space and question your beliefs again.

Try and cool off a bit, because I've seen some really good work from you and you shouldn't minimize your own effectiveness by fighting the wrong battles until blood is drawn. It's a tough call, but I think it's the only way you can navigate your way to a place of calm, dispassionate Zen.

I'm wishing you well. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act

Please join the discussion on the talk page if you want to add anything. It's a highly contensious article that we've been going round and round on since June. Adding a word here and there might not seem big, but for this article, even making an "a" into an "an" is big (and no I am not kidding). --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 18:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)