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::It all boils down to this. Our users, myself included will only participate if they are treated with respect. If they aren't then they leave. That includes myself. Some of us leave and don't come back and some of us continue to participate in some small way. Its your choice which one I do. I can leave and not come back at all or continue to do edits occasionally as an IP. Frankly I am at the point that I don't care to try and prove myself anymore. If I didn't prove that I believed in the project and I could be trusted in the last 7 years and hundreds of thousands of edits, working on wikiprojects, attending meetups at Museums and other locations and trying to collaborate to make this place better I never will. My 2nd RFA showed that I'll never be allowed to help out any more than an editor yet more and more content is protected. It was a complete insult as was the first one four years ago when it was "easier" to get the tools. I have a lot of experience and wanted to use it but I'm not going to waste my time contributing if I have to take three times longer to do something because I can't edit a protected template. I can't block a vandal so its not worth my time looking for them. I can't read deleted content so there's little point in participating in things like CCU or Arbcom. I no longer have sympathy for long wait times and overworked admins. If they wanted the help it was there and offered. So now I'm just done. You can do whatever you want. Keep the account locked. Its fine with me. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko#top|talk]]) 23:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
::It all boils down to this. Our users, myself included will only participate if they are treated with respect. If they aren't then they leave. That includes myself. Some of us leave and don't come back and some of us continue to participate in some small way. Its your choice which one I do. I can leave and not come back at all or continue to do edits occasionally as an IP. Frankly I am at the point that I don't care to try and prove myself anymore. If I didn't prove that I believed in the project and I could be trusted in the last 7 years and hundreds of thousands of edits, working on wikiprojects, attending meetups at Museums and other locations and trying to collaborate to make this place better I never will. My 2nd RFA showed that I'll never be allowed to help out any more than an editor yet more and more content is protected. It was a complete insult as was the first one four years ago when it was "easier" to get the tools. I have a lot of experience and wanted to use it but I'm not going to waste my time contributing if I have to take three times longer to do something because I can't edit a protected template. I can't block a vandal so its not worth my time looking for them. I can't read deleted content so there's little point in participating in things like CCU or Arbcom. I no longer have sympathy for long wait times and overworked admins. If they wanted the help it was there and offered. So now I'm just done. You can do whatever you want. Keep the account locked. Its fine with me. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko#top|talk]]) 23:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
:::The problem is that your "occasional edits as an IP" are to extremely contentious ArbCom pages, where emotions are running high, and where you [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Doncram/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=539146161 advocate desysopping people] who happen to have blocked you in the past. That's not right, and it's against policy for very good reasons. If your IP edits were fixing misspellings in articles or reverting vandalism or adding sources, I doubt anyone would mind or care. Do you really not see the difference? [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 00:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
:::The problem is that your "occasional edits as an IP" are to extremely contentious ArbCom pages, where emotions are running high, and where you [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Doncram/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=539146161 advocate desysopping people] who happen to have blocked you in the past. That's not right, and it's against policy for very good reasons. If your IP edits were fixing misspellings in articles or reverting vandalism or adding sources, I doubt anyone would mind or care. Do you really not see the difference? [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 00:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
::::I don't advocate they be desysopped because they block me, I advocate it because they block unnecesarily aggressively and for exceeding lengths of time. They wield the admin tools like a mallet. I think they used to be one of the best admins but over the years they have grown cold in their duties and have become harsh. Since we are on the subject of Arbcom, I don't see anyone fussing at the other 8 IP's that have edited the various Arbcom cases. Just the 2 I used. One for my home and one at work which is used by a lot of other folks. So I am inclined to believe that it '''is not''' the sum or location of the edits, but indeed me. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko#top|talk]]) 00:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
::::I don't advocate they be desysopped because they block me, I advocate it because they block unnecesarily aggressively and for exceeding lengths of time. They wield the admin tools like a mallet. I think they used to be one of the best admins but over the years they have grown cold in their duties and have become harsh. Since we are on the subject of Arbcom, I don't see anyone fussing at the other 8 IP's that have edited the various Arbcom cases. Just the 2 I used. One for my home and one at work which is used by a lot of other folks. So I am inclined to believe that it '''is not''' the sum or location of the edits, but indeed me. I think its also important to clarify that I was not the only one advocating they be desysopped. In fact one of the Arbitrators said that, a couple of other users said that and its what will likely come out of the Arbcom ruling. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko#top|talk]]) 00:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Kumioko is editing as User:108.28.162.125 05:40, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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There was a time (in fact just a year ago) when I would have requested an unblock and fought hard to be allowed back, but not anymore. I tried in the past to get folks to listen and no one cared. Its obvious I am to be treated as a common vandal so here is what I am asking. I want you to perform a global block on my account as it is here in the English Wikipedia. I tried to be an active positive contributor but I just got shit on and treated like a second class citizen so now I want no part of this. I want my account blocked on all Wiki's as it is here please. Kumioko (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The place to do that is on Meta, not here. (m:SRG) --Rschen7754 21:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks its done and I removed the edit request template. Kumioko (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You don't have to fight particularly hard to be allowed back. All you'd have to do is agree to post as yourself instead of as an IP and I'd unblock you. You're not a vandal, it's just that you're not following the policy on undisclosed alternate accounts; when/if you decide you're willing to follow that policy, I'll be happy to lift the block (as would, I'm sure, many other admins.) But I see you've already posted the global lock request, so I suppose it's a moot point now. I'm sorry you decided to go that route rather than go along with the (in my opinion) quite reasonable request to sign your comments as yourself and not a string of numbers. 28bytes (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter anymore. There was a time when it did, I no longer want to participate as a user. Is that so hard to understand? I would like to do the occasional edit as an IP, even then my edits will be limited as they have been. Because the community lost me as an active editor. They don't deserve to have an active contributor (not just me) that cares about the project. They want editors who piddle and do a few edits, keep their heads down and don't ask questions. That ain't me and never has been nor do I think I am wanted. I am convinced now, more than ever that the general population is more interested in protecting their own POV interests than in building an encyclopedia and that includes the vast majority of Admins.
It all boils down to this. Our users, myself included will only participate if they are treated with respect. If they aren't then they leave. That includes myself. Some of us leave and don't come back and some of us continue to participate in some small way. Its your choice which one I do. I can leave and not come back at all or continue to do edits occasionally as an IP. Frankly I am at the point that I don't care to try and prove myself anymore. If I didn't prove that I believed in the project and I could be trusted in the last 7 years and hundreds of thousands of edits, working on wikiprojects, attending meetups at Museums and other locations and trying to collaborate to make this place better I never will. My 2nd RFA showed that I'll never be allowed to help out any more than an editor yet more and more content is protected. It was a complete insult as was the first one four years ago when it was "easier" to get the tools. I have a lot of experience and wanted to use it but I'm not going to waste my time contributing if I have to take three times longer to do something because I can't edit a protected template. I can't block a vandal so its not worth my time looking for them. I can't read deleted content so there's little point in participating in things like CCU or Arbcom. I no longer have sympathy for long wait times and overworked admins. If they wanted the help it was there and offered. So now I'm just done. You can do whatever you want. Keep the account locked. Its fine with me. Kumioko (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that your "occasional edits as an IP" are to extremely contentious ArbCom pages, where emotions are running high, and where you advocate desysopping people who happen to have blocked you in the past. That's not right, and it's against policy for very good reasons. If your IP edits were fixing misspellings in articles or reverting vandalism or adding sources, I doubt anyone would mind or care. Do you really not see the difference? 28bytes (talk) 00:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't advocate they be desysopped because they block me, I advocate it because they block unnecesarily aggressively and for exceeding lengths of time. They wield the admin tools like a mallet. I think they used to be one of the best admins but over the years they have grown cold in their duties and have become harsh. Since we are on the subject of Arbcom, I don't see anyone fussing at the other 8 IP's that have edited the various Arbcom cases. Just the 2 I used. One for my home and one at work which is used by a lot of other folks. So I am inclined to believe that it is not the sum or location of the edits, but indeed me. I think its also important to clarify that I was not the only one advocating they be desysopped. In fact one of the Arbitrators said that, a couple of other users said that and its what will likely come out of the Arbcom ruling. Kumioko (talk) 00:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]