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I hope this helps you understand the issues, if you have any questions please reply here or on [[Talk:University of Waterloo Stratford Campus]] so all the answers can be kept together. <font face="Lucida Sans">'''[[User:LGA|<font color="#90EE90">LGA</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:LGA|<font color="#8B0000"><sub>talk</sub></font>]]'''<sup style="margin-left:-4ex">[[Special:Contributions/LGA|<font color="#006400">edits</font>]]</sup></font> 04:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I hope this helps you understand the issues, if you have any questions please reply here or on [[Talk:University of Waterloo Stratford Campus]] so all the answers can be kept together. <font face="Lucida Sans">'''[[User:LGA|<font color="#90EE90">LGA</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:LGA|<font color="#8B0000"><sub>talk</sub></font>]]'''<sup style="margin-left:-4ex">[[Special:Contributions/LGA|<font color="#006400">edits</font>]]</sup></font> 04:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:::: First of all, your initial allegation is completely untrue. Now on to your specific issues. The graphic shot was used in lieu of a seal. The schools building appears to be what it is known for. I have no idea whether or not a school crest exists. However, I know the one that you took the liberty of putting on the page is incorrect and will most likely be eventually contested by someone at the University. The Dybenko photo was added because it had cleared Wikipedia commons. I did not think there was an issue here because other universities have also featured pictures of either their administrators or alumni. No peacockery was intended here. I will however, follow your suggestion and address this issue on the talk page. I found an additional independent source for the Margot section that was included in the research section. I thought it was sufficient to address your concern.[[User:Stuartzs|Stuartzs]] ([[User talk:Stuartzs#top|talk]]) 12:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:::: First of all, your initial allegation is completely untrue. Now on to your specific issues. The graphic shot was used in lieu of a seal. The schools building appears to be what it is known for. I have no idea whether or not a school crest exists. However, I know the one that you took the liberty of putting on the page is incorrect and will most likely be eventually contested by someone at the University. The Dybenko photo was added because it had cleared Wikipedia commons. I did not think there was an issue here because other universities have also featured pictures of either their administrators or alumni. No peacockery was intended here. I will however, follow your suggestion and address this issue on the talk page. I found an additional independent source for the Margot section that was included in the research section. I thought it was sufficient to address your concern.[[User:Stuartzs|Stuartzs]] ([[User talk:Stuartzs#top|talk]]) 12:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
::::: I will reply to your points :
:::::# I am sorry but I don't believe you, the contributions of your accounts indicate a close connection with the University. A scenario also {{diff|diff=611308182|oldid=611298847|label=proffered}} by someone else.
:::::# Have a read of the [[Template:Infobox_university/doc|documentation]] relating to the use of the University Infobox template, then have a look at other universities such as [[University of Oxford]], [[University of Paris]], [[University of Sydney]], [[Harvard University]], [[McGill University]] '''ALL''' of them use the crest at that position. WP has standards to make sure articles look and feel the same, please adhere to them.
:::::# Just because an image has a valid licence does not mean that you should use it where ever you feel like.
:::::# The "''[http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/dm-l/2013-June/002234.html source]''" you used was a copy of an email sent by Christine McWebb from a University of Waterloo email address hosted on a University of Lethbridge list server. An e-mail hosted on a list server is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] and an e-mail from anyone with a University of Waterloo email address is not [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the university.
::::: I hope that helps. <font face="Lucida Sans">'''[[User:LGA|<font color="#90EE90">LGA</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:LGA|<font color="#8B0000"><sub>talk</sub></font>]]'''<sup style="margin-left:-4ex">[[Special:Contributions/LGA|<font color="#006400">edits</font>]]</sup></font> 13:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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  1. It is very clear to me that you have, despite your denials, a very clear WP:COI with relation to the University of Waterloo, either as a current, past or future student or staff member. WP has in the past and continues to have problems with editors making changes to articles to make them appear more favourable as a way of enhancing the apparent standing of the institution. This is done in a number of ways, for example by adding graphical shots taken from marketing materials that do not serve to increase readers' understanding of the subject, by copy-editing text adding WP:PEACOCK terms to the text, adding sections that "big-up" the work of the institution not written from a WP:NPOV and sourced only to the institution.
  2. The image used should "preferably the university's official seal or logo" as per Template:Infobox_university/doc; the argument that this is some how a completely separate University is not one that is reflected in the campus own website and I see no reason to deviate from the guideline, if you disagree please make your case at the talk page.
  3. The image File:Ginny Dybenko.jpg fails both WP:IUP#Content and MOS:IMAGES it presence only servers to make the article "look better" and it's presence does increase readers' understanding of the Uni, please make your case for it's inclusion on the talk page.
  4. The Research section you added is sourced only to the Uni, please propose the section on the talk page, and make sure it is sourced to reliable sources that are independent of the university.

I hope this helps you understand the issues, if you have any questions please reply here or on Talk:University of Waterloo Stratford Campus so all the answers can be kept together. LGA talkedits 04:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, your initial allegation is completely untrue. Now on to your specific issues. The graphic shot was used in lieu of a seal. The schools building appears to be what it is known for. I have no idea whether or not a school crest exists. However, I know the one that you took the liberty of putting on the page is incorrect and will most likely be eventually contested by someone at the University. The Dybenko photo was added because it had cleared Wikipedia commons. I did not think there was an issue here because other universities have also featured pictures of either their administrators or alumni. No peacockery was intended here. I will however, follow your suggestion and address this issue on the talk page. I found an additional independent source for the Margot section that was included in the research section. I thought it was sufficient to address your concern.Stuartzs (talk) 12:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will reply to your points :
  1. I am sorry but I don't believe you, the contributions of your accounts indicate a close connection with the University. A scenario also proffered by someone else.
  2. Have a read of the documentation relating to the use of the University Infobox template, then have a look at other universities such as University of Oxford, University of Paris, University of Sydney, Harvard University, McGill University ALL of them use the crest at that position. WP has standards to make sure articles look and feel the same, please adhere to them.
  3. Just because an image has a valid licence does not mean that you should use it where ever you feel like.
  4. The "source" you used was a copy of an email sent by Christine McWebb from a University of Waterloo email address hosted on a University of Lethbridge list server. An e-mail hosted on a list server is not a reliable source and an e-mail from anyone with a University of Waterloo email address is not independent of the university.
I hope that helps. LGA talkedits 13:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]