User talk:The Thunderer

This editor has temporarily left wikipedia because of continued bullying, harrassment and hounding from User:BigDunc and User:Domer48.

A word on your mediation and recent edit war

There is clearly a significant problem, and I intend to get to the bottom of it. I am not going to block anyone yet: there are several "guilty" parties, but I'm not yet sure if any one deserves more severe sanctions than the other. I am going through the contribution logs slowly and carefully. Ideally by the time I am done, the point will be moot. If not however, everyone is going to have a bad day: some much worse than others. Preliminarily, I have this to say to all of three of you:

The one blame I am willing to lay on equally all three of your shoulders is this: you responded to reverting by reverting. This is the fundamental error in your method: all edit wars, revert wars especially are incredibly harmful, far more harmful than leaving an infuriating edit while you pursue editors on the talk page or seek outside assistance. It is just Wikipedia. There is no benefit to reverting an edit now that can't wait for a mediator, admin, third party, or a well measured post on the talk page to step in instead.

Mediation is not about policing, and it certainly isn't about policing eachother. You maintain your end of the bargain, even if the other person doesn't hold up theres at the moment. Besides the fact we need to accept that good faith mistakes can be made, there is naked self interest involved: the party that follows the rules best and in the best faith gains an advantage over the other. If the admins are slow, or hands off for the moment, or longer, that can be frustrating: but we are volunteers with busy lives, and other concerns both on and off wiki. Patience is hard, but it is so necessary in mediation.

The report I have heard from the mediator is that all three of you have broken the mediation agreement. Despite his obvious frustration, he is still willing to come back to the table if all of you are. Something you should remember: the mediation is for all of you. After this latest stunt, the community at large and the admin corps, from what I have been told, is frustrated and upset. They are not particularly caring for which one of you is more to blame than the other.

As far as I am concerned, you are *all* out of reversions, under any circumstance. No more reversions unless the reverted edit is so severe you are willing to endure a block - even if you are right. --Tznkai (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S: I am aware there has been progress. I hope that this will be the low point in the mediation process, and things will improve rapidly after this.

Removal of claims of bullying

Thunderer: I have removed the claims you made about your fellow participants in the mediation. I had hoped that you would do so yourself. The claim you make of bullying may or may not be objective fact. However, to bo be so, it would have to be the finding of an RfC or arbitration. Absent that outcome, it could be seen as provocative. Sunray (talk) 16:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Sunray I am no longer involved in any mediation. I reserve the right to keep my own pages as they were. Thunderer (talk) 16:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

MY TALK PAGE CONTAINS ONLY TRUTHFUL STATEMENTS - PLEASE DO NOT EDIT WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. Thunderer (talk) 16:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

People should not be edit warring over your user pages. Do you want them protected? Jehochman ^Talk 16:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

It's very kind of you to offer and I may take you up on it but for the moment lets see if common sense prevails. Thunderer (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)