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:#Proposed. In my view, remedial action is necessary in association with any conduct finding specific to an editor. I hope a simple warning that specifies what Born2cycle must improve upon will be sufficient. [[User:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 00:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:#Proposed. In my view, remedial action is necessary in association with any conduct finding specific to an editor. I hope a simple warning that specifies what Born2cycle must improve upon will be sufficient. [[User:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 00:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
: Support the idea, but could we not put it in simpler English. "Born2cycle is warned to talk less and listen more, to actually think about the views of other editors, and to be prepared to compromise in order to reach an outcome that everyone will accept."--[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:# Support the idea, but could we not put it in simpler English. "Born2cycle is warned to talk less and listen more, to actually think about the views of other editors, and to be prepared to compromise in order to reach an outcome that everyone will accept."--[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


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After considering /Evidence and discussing proposals with other arbitrators, parties, and editors at /Workshop, arbitrators may make proposals which are ready for voting. Arbitrators will vote for or against each provision, or they may abstain. Only items which are supported by an absolute majority of the active, non-recused arbitrators will pass into the final decision. Conditional votes and abstentions will be denoted as such by the arbitrator, before or after their time-stamped signature. For example, an arbitrator can state that their support vote for one provision only applies if another provision fails to pass (these are denoted as "first" and "second choice" votes). Only arbitrators and clerks may edit this page, but non-arbitrators may comment on the talk page.

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Proposed motions

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Proposed temporary injunctions

A temporary injunction is a directive from the Arbitration Committee that parties to the case, or other editors notified of the injunction, do or refrain from doing something while the case is pending.

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Proposed final decision

Proposed principles

Editorial process

1) Wikipedia works by building consensus. This is done through the use of polite discussion—involving the wider community, if necessary—and dispute resolution, rather than through disruptive editing. Editors are each responsible for noticing when a debate is escalating into an edit war, and for helping the debate move to better approaches by discussing their differences rationally. Edit-warring, whether by reversion or otherwise, is prohibited; this is so even when the disputed content is clearly problematic, with only a few exceptions. Revert rules should not be construed as an entitlement or inalienable right to revert, nor do they endorse reverts as an editing technique.

Support:
  1. Standard. This applies to moving articles as well as editing them. PhilKnight (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Jclemens (talk) 02:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. AGK [•] 23:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The Manual of Style

2) Style guides are used as a means of creating a consistent end result. It does not affect content, but rather how that content is presented. The English Wikipedia's Manual of Style (MoS) is a guideline, or a set of "best practices" supported by consensus. The MoS is not a collection of hard rules.

Support:
  1. PhilKnight (talk) 22:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. You know, for "not affect[ing] content", I've seen a lot of consternation over MoS issues over the years I've been here. Jclemens (talk) 02:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. AGK [•] 23:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. But see somewhat irrelevant comment Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Technically the diacritic guidelines at least do affect content, as Tômäs Tânkěńjin is not the same as Tomas Tankenjin, and unlike this case, where it's still the same bird whether it's a Lesser Coal-Tit, a Lesser Coal Tit or a lesser coal tit, the decision to abandon diacritics entirely in certain cases does affect the amount of information available. Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Policy and guidelines

3) A higher standard for participation and consensus exists for changes to policies and guidelines, per Wikipedia:Consensus#Level of consensus.

Support:
  1. PhilKnight (talk) 22:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Corollary: if you can't interest enough people in a particular discussion, it probably should not be accorded the status of "guideline" or "policy", even if the WP:LOCALCONSENSUS is unanimous. Jclemens (talk) 02:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Especially pertinent to MOS disputes and the matter in hand. AGK [•] 23:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Good faith and disruption

4) Behavior that violates Wikipedia's policies, even if driven by good intentions, is still inappropriate. Editors acting in good faith may still be sanctioned when their actions are disruptive.

Support:
  1. PhilKnight (talk) 22:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Jclemens (talk) 02:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. They all think they are bang to rights. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. This will probably be one of our leaner decisions, but I still don't see why this requires inclusion. AGK [•] 23:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposed findings of fact

Manual of Style as unique style guide

1) The English Wikipedia Manual of Style has been built from a number of pre-existing Manuals from numerous fields. The best practices from these have been combined to create a single, unique MOS that applies to articles on the English Wikipedia.

Support:
  1. PhilKnight (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Although, obviously, not every portion of the MoS is necessary applicable to every article in Wikipedia. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. And it's also worth noting that there are many aspects of the MoS which specify multiple correct alternative ways to represent something. Jclemens (talk) 02:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. AGK [•] 23:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. But it doesn't say anything about being built on the corpses of warring editors.....--Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Jclemens, I agree, and in my own consideration of this dispute I wondered if we should include a finding that the MOS is a guideline, does not apply in full to every article, and is subject to significant considerations of editorial preference and regional exceptions. AGK [•] 23:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think we should emphasise that the Wikipedia community has decided not to have a house style that is binding in all cases. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Locus of dispute

2) This dispute concerns contentious edits to the MoS and article naming pages that has been occurring sporadically for years. The incident that precipitated this arbitration case was a rapid series of edits at WP:TITLE.

Support:
  1. PhilKnight (talk) 22:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Copy-edited for clarity. AGK [•] 23:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Jclemens (talk) 02:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Pmanderson

3) Pmanderson (talk · contribs) disrupted MoS-related discussions through JCScaliger (talk · contribs), a sockpuppet and named party to this case.

Support:
  1. PhilKnight (talk) 22:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Jclemens (talk) 02:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. (Copy-edited.) AGK [•] 23:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Unfortunately, yes. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Born2cycle

4) Born2cycle (talk · contribs)'s editing on the disputed pages and related subjects has hampered efforts at resolution, specifically by excessive responses and not following the spirit of WP:BRD.

Support:
  1. Jclemens (talk) 02:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. With respect to the debate about TITLE, I don't see that Born2cycle's contributions were any more or less constructive than that of the other parties. His pursuit of consensus was questionable, his immovable grasp of WP:BRD was especially disappointing, and the dirt file was unacceptable. (Other misconduct is detailed here.) However, he attempted to reduce the length of his responses with User:Born2cycle/pledge (I'm unsure how far he honoured that commitment), and I am concerned that we may have placed an undue focus on this editor because he is outnumbered in the content dispute, and perhaps therefore in the balance of evidence in this case. Nevertheless, I agree it is necessary to make a specific finding for Born2cycle, and I do support; I only wanted to spell out some of my minor reservations. AGK [•] 00:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I think it's worth noting here in addition to the workshop page that the only reason Born2cycle is singled out in a finding is because evidence against other parties was weak. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

All parties reminded (1)

1.1) All parties are reminded to avoid personalizing the MoS disputes, and to work collegiately towards a workable consensus. In particular, a rapid cycle of editing the pages to reflect one's viewpoint, then discussing the changes is disruptive and should be avoided: carefully consider edits to MoS pages and to explain all changes promptly on the talk page.

Support:
  1. Second choice to 1.2. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. Prefer 1.2. PhilKnight (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Prefer 1.2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Prefer R1.2. AGK [•] 23:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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All parties reminded (2)

1.2) All parties are reminded to avoid personalizing the MoS disputes, and to work collegiately towards a workable consensus. In particular, a rapid cycle of editing the pages to reflect one's viewpoint, then discussing the changes is disruptive and should be avoided. Instead, parties are encouraged to establish consensus on the talk page first, and then make the changes.

Support:
  1. Prefer this version. PhilKnight (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. There is BRD, and then there is editing in a divisive manner during a dispute over a policy or guideline page. Jclemens (talk) 02:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. AGK [•] 23:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Rapid cycling through edits on policy pages can be very disruptive. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Pmanderson restricted (1)

2.1) If Pmanderson's blocks expire, he is prohibited from engaging in discussions and edits relating to the Manual of Style indefinitely.

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  1. Prefer 2.2; I see no reason to impose a conditional sanction in this case. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. AGK [•] 23:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Pmanderson restricted (2)

2.2) Pmanderson is indefinitely prohibited from engaging in discussions and edits relating to the Manual of Style or policy about article titles.

Support:
  1. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. AGK [•] 23:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. PhilKnight (talk) 23:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Jclemens (talk) 02:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Sadly, yes --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Copy-edited to substitute "the Manual of Style or policy about article titles" for "the Manual of Style" per Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation/Proposed decision #Pmanderson. AGK [•] 00:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus building at WT:TITLE

3) Interested parties are instructed to spend the next 21 days from the closure of the case to determine the phrasing of WP:TITLE to obtain consensus on the disputed passages. This may be the continuation of a current discussion or new thread. From that date, a period of five weeks is granted for the gathering of consensus on the issue. The discussion should be of sufficient structure to allow easy quantification of consensus rather than a large amount of poorly-framed debate. Parties are encouraged to focus edits on forming consensus rather than edits to the policy page itself.

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I'm not certain what relationship is intended between the 21-day period and the five-week period. Is the intent here that the former would be used to determine a consensus wording for an RFC, or the consensus wording of the final result? Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The idea was to create two distinct periods--one, in which the proposed wording gets hashed out, and the second part to ratify it, as you intimated. Copyedits to make that clearer would be welcome. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I need to think some more about this: I'm not sure if we need to do more than ask the parties to do what they ought to have done anyway. Perhaps this might work, but I fear that, without a more meaningful remedy, we will have achieved nothing of substance in relation to this dispute... AGK [•] 23:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think this will work as written. I have my doubts that the self-identified group can hash out anything.....--Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Topic bans

4.1) Should any party or editor involved in this case or TITLE discussions be found by an uninvolved administrator to be disrupting consensus building, that user may be temporarily banned from style-guide related pages, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. Continued patterns of violations may be result in an indefinite ban.

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  1. Prefer 4.2; I see no reason to develop unique variants of such restrictions at this stage. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I was in the process of saying exactly the same as Kirill: I agree that it's better to make community enforcement as simple as possible. AGK [•] 23:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Prefer 4.2. PhilKnight (talk) 23:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Discretionary sanctions

4.2) Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all pages related to the English Wikipedia Manual of Style, broadly construed.

Support:
  1. Proposed. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. AGK [•] 23:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. PhilKnight (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Jclemens (talk) 02:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. This gives admins the power to warn users, and order them off the page if necessary. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Born2cycle warned

5) Born2cycle is warned that his contributions to discussion must reflect a better receptiveness to compromise and a higher tolerance for the views of other editors.

Support:
  1. Proposed. In my view, remedial action is necessary in association with any conduct finding specific to an editor. I hope a simple warning that specifies what Born2cycle must improve upon will be sufficient. AGK [•] 00:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support the idea, but could we not put it in simpler English. "Born2cycle is warned to talk less and listen more, to actually think about the views of other editors, and to be prepared to compromise in order to reach an outcome that everyone will accept."--Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposed enforcement

Enforcement by block

1) Should any user subject to an editing restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 5 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one year. All blocks are to be logged at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions.

Support:
  1. Discretionary sanctions are self-enforcing, but a standard enforcement provision for the Pmanderson restriction is necessary. (Only if an applicable remedy passes.) AGK [•] 23:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kirill [talk] [prof] 23:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Jclemens (talk) 02:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. PhilKnight (talk) 20:21, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion by Arbitrators

General

Motion to close

Implementation notes

Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision—at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion to close the case until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.

These notes were last updated by Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 19:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC); the last edit to this page was on 02:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC) by Elen of the Roads.[reply]

Proposed Principles
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1 Editorial process 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
2 The Manual of Style 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
3 Policy and guidelines 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
4 Good faith and disruption 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
Proposed Findings of Fact
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1 Manual of Style as unique style guide 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
2 Locus of dispute 5 0 0 NOT PASSING 1
3 Pmanderson 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
4 Born2cycle 2 0 0 NOT PASSING 4
Proposed Remedies
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1.1 All parties reminded (1) 1 3 0 NOT PASSING 5
1.2 All parties reminded (2) 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
2.1 Pmanderson restricted (1) 0 1 0 NOT PASSING 6
2.2 Pmanderson restricted (2) 5 0 0 NOT PASSING 1
3 Consensus building at WT:TITLE 0 0 0 NOT PASSING 6
4.1 Topic bans 0 3 0 NOT PASSING 6
4.2 Discretionary sanctions 5 0 0 NOT PASSING 1
Proposed Enforcement
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1 Enforcement by block 4 0 0 NOT PASSING 2
Notes


Vote

Important: Please ask the case clerk to author the implementation notes before initiating a motion to close, so that the final decision is clear.

Four net "support" votes needed to close case (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support"). 24 hours from the first motion is normally the fastest a case will close. The Clerks will close the case either immediately, or 24 hours after the fourth net support vote has been cast, depending on whether the arbitrators have voted unanimously on the entirety of the case's proposed decision or not.

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