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::The parties are cointinuing to edit war and make sterile reverts to their preferred version. Although there may only be one or two reverts per day, there is clear evidence of article ownership, and attempts by outside uninvolved editors to work on the article are being reverted as blindly as the efforts of the partisans. An editing ban would allow uninvolve editors to try and clean up the article and find some reliable sources, while protection would just freeze it. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 02:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
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==Policy versus personal attacks==
As the individual that initially filed the RfC, Mediation and Arbitration attempts with [[User:Riveros11|Riveros11]], I would like to ask the arbitration committee if it was possible to keep this arbitration to the policy issue that I raised. That is [[WP:VERIFY]] or specifically [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_and_dubious_sources_in_articles_about_the_author.28s.29]. Preferably, I would avoid this process from descending into endless personal incriminations of various hue but limit the arbitration to myself and [[User:Riveros11|Riveros11]] as main protagonists.
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====Verifiability====
I appreciate that a Wikipedia topic must be verifiable before it is true, that editors much provide references and citations to support their contributions and I have stated that I am happy to use the papers suggested by [[User:Riveros11|Riveros11]] as well as additional ones. But more than that a topic article must read well, it is also a literary work and one should not be limited to mere "copy and pastes" from chosen academics.

To quote directly, I believe that as with illustrations and images, material from self-published sources may be used as sources in articles about the author(s) of the material, so long as:

''* it is relevant to their notability;''

''* it is not contentious;''

''* it is not unduly self-serving;''

''* it does not involve claims about third parties, or about events not directly related to the subject;''

''* there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it.''

and '''it does not constitute primary research'''. This is to say, that as long as it is honest reportage without interpretation and it is valuable to clarifying the secondary sources, it is not only acceptable but useful and attractive.

====Specific query====
To this extent, I wanted to request was clarification - and acceptance by the other party [[Users:Riveros11|Riveros11]] - over which self-published material was acceptable, this would include specifically;

a) reference to material from BKWSU published & purchasable books, e.g. Chander

b) teaching aids or widely used posters etc under fair use

c) reference to BKWSU published websites

d) reference to BKWSU scriptures called "Murlis" which are easily identified by date.

Given that the organization has numerous e-commerce sites, approximately 7,000 centers worldwide and UN status, I consider that any such citations would be "easily verifiable" by any other researcher or contributor.
[[User:195.82.106.244|195.82.106.244]] 13:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)



=Proposed final decision=
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The parties are cointinuing to edit war and make sterile reverts to their preferred version. Although there may only be one or two reverts per day, there is clear evidence of article ownership, and attempts by outside uninvolved editors to work on the article are being reverted as blindly as the efforts of the partisans. An editing ban would allow uninvolve editors to try and clean up the article and find some reliable sources, while protection would just freeze it. Thatcher131 02:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Policy versus personal attacks

As the individual that initially filed the RfC, Mediation and Arbitration attempts with Riveros11, I would like to ask the arbitration committee if it was possible to keep this arbitration to the policy issue that I raised. That is WP:VERIFY or specifically [1]. Preferably, I would avoid this process from descending into endless personal incriminations of various hue but limit the arbitration to myself and Riveros11 as main protagonists.


Verifiability

I appreciate that a Wikipedia topic must be verifiable before it is true, that editors much provide references and citations to support their contributions and I have stated that I am happy to use the papers suggested by Riveros11 as well as additional ones. But more than that a topic article must read well, it is also a literary work and one should not be limited to mere "copy and pastes" from chosen academics.

To quote directly, I believe that as with illustrations and images, material from self-published sources may be used as sources in articles about the author(s) of the material, so long as:

* it is relevant to their notability;

* it is not contentious;

* it is not unduly self-serving;

* it does not involve claims about third parties, or about events not directly related to the subject;

* there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it.

and it does not constitute primary research. This is to say, that as long as it is honest reportage without interpretation and it is valuable to clarifying the secondary sources, it is not only acceptable but useful and attractive.

Specific query

To this extent, I wanted to request was clarification - and acceptance by the other party Riveros11 - over which self-published material was acceptable, this would include specifically;

a) reference to material from BKWSU published & purchasable books, e.g. Chander

b) teaching aids or widely used posters etc under fair use

c) reference to BKWSU published websites

d) reference to BKWSU scriptures called "Murlis" which are easily identified by date.

Given that the organization has numerous e-commerce sites, approximately 7,000 centers worldwide and UN status, I consider that any such citations would be "easily verifiable" by any other researcher or contributor. 195.82.106.244 13:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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