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*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Living people|list of Living people-related deletion discussions]]. --[[User:Erwin85Bot|Erwin85Bot]] ([[User talk:Erwin85Bot|talk]]) 00:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</small>
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Living people|list of Living people-related deletion discussions]]. --[[User:Erwin85Bot|Erwin85Bot]] ([[User talk:Erwin85Bot|talk]]) 00:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</small>
***'''Comment''': OK, I think I sort of overreacted. Thing is that I thought that the group failed the [[Wikipedia:notability (music)|notability guideline for music]] because last time I checked this group has never had a charting album or single on the U.S. ''Billboard'' charts. More specifically, as of right now, criterion 1 of that notability guideline excludes "publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves", in this case the several interviews the members of this group gave to a few minor websites. The MTV News feature might meet that criterion, though. However, keep in mind that a musician does not attain notability under Wikipedia standards simply for having his or her music hosted on even a major website like MTV as you pointed out.--[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] ([[User talk:Andrewlp1991|talk]]) 00:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
***'''Comment''': OK, I think I sort of overreacted. Thing is that I thought that the group failed the [[Wikipedia:notability (music)|notability guideline for music]] because last time I checked this group has never had a charting album or single on the U.S. ''Billboard'' charts. More specifically, as of right now, criterion 1 of that notability guideline excludes "publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves", in this case the several interviews the members of this group gave to a few minor websites. The MTV News feature might meet that criterion, though. However, keep in mind that a musician does not attain notability under Wikipedia standards simply for having his or her music hosted on even a major website like MTV as you pointed out.--[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] ([[User talk:Andrewlp1991|talk]]) 00:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
****'''Notable under[[Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles|Criteria #1]] of musicians and ensembles''': In addition to the MTV news coverage mentioned above, Far*East Movement has also been mentioned on the [[Daily 10]] on [[E!]][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaP3t5hEuX0]
****'''Notable under [[Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles|Criteria #1]] of musicians and ensembles''': In addition to the MTV news coverage mentioned above, Far*East Movement has also been mentioned on the [[Daily 10]] on [[E!]][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaP3t5hEuX0]
****'''Regarding Jin's album''': I opened up the video and heard Jin only mention their names but not specifically what they did. Maybe I'm missing something because I don't know Cantonese but personally a little bit of Mandarin. Could you please (honestly) translate it for other non-Cantonese Wikipedians? And no, FEM did not produce ''ABC''; I checked the links provided and could not find its name under credits. Thus I still don't believe that FEM meets the notability standard--[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] ([[User talk:Andrewlp1991|talk]]) 00:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
****'''Regarding Jin's album''': I opened up the video and heard Jin only mention their names but not specifically what they did. Maybe I'm missing something because I don't know Cantonese but personally a little bit of Mandarin. Could you please (honestly) translate it for other non-Cantonese Wikipedians? And no, FEM did not produce ''ABC''; I checked the links provided and could not find its name under credits. Thus I still don't believe that FEM meets the notability standard--[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] ([[User talk:Andrewlp1991|talk]]) 00:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
*****Jin is not the one saying the names of the members of Far*East Movement. It is the announcer at the awards show saying the names. This link credits them on the HK UMG website as Far*East Movement: [http://www.umg.com.hk/hotnews_detail.php?company_id=1&id=619]. It says under ABC: "Produced by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement" and "Arranged by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement". This makes them notable under '''[[Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_composers_and_lyricists|Criteria #1]] of composers and lyricists''' — [[User:J3ff|J3ff]] ([[User talk:J3ff|talk]]) 10:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
*****Jin is not the one saying the names of the members of Far*East Movement. It is the announcer at the awards show saying the names. This link credits them on the HK UMG website as Far*East Movement: [http://www.umg.com.hk/hotnews_detail.php?company_id=1&id=619]. It says under ABC: "Produced by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement" and "Arranged by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement". This makes them notable under '''[[Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_composers_and_lyricists|Criteria #1]] of composers and lyricists''' — [[User:J3ff|J3ff]] ([[User talk:J3ff|talk]]) 10:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Far*East Movement

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Article that is about a non-notable band and written like an advertisement. Today I searched Google for any reliable sources that'd make this band meet WP:MUSIC but could not find any. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 02:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Far*East Movement is notable and should be kept in Wikipedia for the following reasons:
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: OK, I think I sort of overreacted. Thing is that I thought that the group failed the notability guideline for music because last time I checked this group has never had a charting album or single on the U.S. Billboard charts. More specifically, as of right now, criterion 1 of that notability guideline excludes "publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves", in this case the several interviews the members of this group gave to a few minor websites. The MTV News feature might meet that criterion, though. However, keep in mind that a musician does not attain notability under Wikipedia standards simply for having his or her music hosted on even a major website like MTV as you pointed out.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Notable under Criteria #1 of musicians and ensembles: In addition to the MTV news coverage mentioned above, Far*East Movement has also been mentioned on the Daily 10 on E![7]
        • Regarding Jin's album: I opened up the video and heard Jin only mention their names but not specifically what they did. Maybe I'm missing something because I don't know Cantonese but personally a little bit of Mandarin. Could you please (honestly) translate it for other non-Cantonese Wikipedians? And no, FEM did not produce ABC; I checked the links provided and could not find its name under credits. Thus I still don't believe that FEM meets the notability standard--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Jin is not the one saying the names of the members of Far*East Movement. It is the announcer at the awards show saying the names. This link credits them on the HK UMG website as Far*East Movement: [8]. It says under ABC: "Produced by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement" and "Arranged by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement". This makes them notable under Criteria #1 of composers and lyricistsJ3ff (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notable under Criteria #10 of musicians and ensembles "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc.": Far*East Movement's music has been featured in the soundtrack for the film The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, as mentioned above. — J3ff (talk) 10:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]