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-This article was tagged as db-spam and then summarily deleted. I feel that the deletion is completely unjust. The article only describes SMFR as a Helsinki-based BDSM organisation and is not intended to specifically advertise it as any better than any other BDSM organisation.
-I feel this organisation is notable as being the only public BDSM organisation in Helsinki, as I explained in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UngBDSM]]:
-:On the other hand, SMFR is by far the most famous BDSM organisation in the entire city of Helsinki. It is the only public one, and the only one known to mainstream media. SMFR, founded in 1996, is a legally registered organisation (RY, ryhmäyhdistys). It is one of the two Finnish BDSM organisations to have its own closed discussion forum on [[Tuntematon Maa]].
-(Note about UngBDSM, though: I only know about that organisation what was written in the article, and I'm arguing the case for SMFR, not for UngBDSM.)
-Going by [[List of BDSM organizations]], I feel that the following articles are similar enough to be judged by the same criteria: [[Turun Baletti]], [[Datenschlag]], [[SMil-Norge]], [[The Spanner Trust]], [[Violate]], [[Black Rose (BDSM organization)]], [[Group With No Name]], [[People of Leather Among You]]. Of these, I wrote Turun Baletti, but I have nothing whatsoever to do with the others. If the other articles are kept, so should SMFR be. If SMFR is deleted, so should most of the other articles. [[User:JIP|<font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 19:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Note''': I'm the one that placed the {{tl|db-spam}} tag on this article; I just thought I'd mention that since I've been active on DRV lately. As I recall, it was a single line article with a link to their web page, so I thought it qualified. For the purposes of this discussion, I '''abstain'''. ---[[User:Aaron|Aaron]] 21:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Endorse deletion''' absent multiple non-trivial coverage in reliable secondary sources. The most famous BDSM club in Helsinki is not much of a cliam to fame. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> 22:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
-**But the most famous BDSM club in Turku is? [[Turun Baletti]] has even less information yet no one has deleted it yet. And I think most of the other organisations I mentioned don't claim that much notability either. If I'm wrong, please explain. [[User:JIP|<font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 05:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
-***Feel free to propose [[Turun Baletti]] for deletion. Actually, you can speedy it as {db-author} since you created it. The presence of one inappropriate article can ''never'' be used to justify keeping another. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 14:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
-****Wow, I really wish that hadn't happened.  That's a shame right there. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 14:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
-*Could someone finally close this, or at least further comment on it? Not only is this the oldest still open DRV, but the next oldest is three days younger. It is holding back my further plans to write about BDSM in Finland. [[User:JIP|<font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 17:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Overturn and list at AfD'''.  Seems like a good faith request to ulist, and perhaps some more eyes at AfD can point us in the direction of sources since I can't read German. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 00:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Endorse deletion''' This stub has no reliable sources, only the club's website.  It can be rewritten with better sources; as it was, its deletion represents no loss. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 14:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Endorse deletion''' The right answer for an article that never had [[WP:INDY|independent sources]], once deleted, isn't to resurrect it and hope somebody finds a source before the AFD ends.  It is to leave it in the grave, go look for good sources yourself, and [[WP:FORGET|write a brand new article based on the sources]].  [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 16:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)