Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-09-18 Harvey Milk
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| Article | Harvey Milk |
| Status | new |
| Request date | 03:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC) |
| Requesting party | Unknown |
| Parties involved | Moni3 (talk · contribs) / Mosedschurte (talk · contribs) |
[[Category:Wikipedia Medcab new cases|Harvey Milk]][[Category:Wikipedia medcab maintenance|Harvey Milk]]
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Request details
This is a content dispute about the due weight of information in Milk's biography regarding his involvement in the Peoples Temple and with its leader, Jim Jones. It is my assertion that the sources about Milk's life reflect the most important and significant events that shaped the gay movement in San Francisco, as well as his legacy. Mosedschurte has been asserting that any sourced information about Milk's involvement with Jones belongs in the article.
Who are the involved parties?
Moni3 (talk · contribs), Mosedschurte (talk · contribs), Benjiboi (talk · contribs)
What's going on?
On May 10, 2008 Mosedschurte inserted this section into Harvey Milk's article. Benjoboi considered it undue weight and asked for a Request for Comment, and eventually an ANI thread.
As part of the resolution to that comment, the section was trimmed, a new article was created titled Political alliances of Peoples Temple, and I began rewriting Milk's article with the intention that it would be featured.
I posted the expanded version with full citations on September 13, 2008. Mosedschurte added material that is questionable in its integrity is unconnected to the rest of the article. It violates WP:UNDUE and WP:SYNTH. It has been removed by me, SandyGeorgia, and Benjiboi, only to return in various incarnations. Moseschurte is not familiar with the sources I've used to write the article. He has built the foundation of his argument on 4 - 6 sources that are neither comprehensive about Milk's life, or authoritative about the relationship between Jim Jones and Harvey Milk. Mosedschurte works only on articles about Jones. According to Mosedschurte, because Jones was notable, it belongs in the article. For an article going to FAC, this will be certain failure. These unrelated facts also suggest relationships that did not exist, and can be roundly denied by my sources. I am happy to give as much detail as necessary.
We've filled up an astounding length of talk pages on the article talk page, WP:Fringe, and now ANI and this has yet to be resolved.
What would you like to change about that?
I would like the circular arguments to stop. I would like to take Milk's article to GA or FA, which - that ship has sailed, sadly, as long as this mediation is open. I had thought it possible to get it featured to appear on the main page by late November, in time for the Gus van Sant film to be released. Now, I'd be happy simply for it to be accurate. I would like editors who are interested in improving the article to become familiar with all of its sources, and not ones that attempt to prove a point. Indeed, I would like all of the editors who are interested in improving its quality to be familiar with simple Wikipedia policy about biographies.