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28 January 2014

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Suspected sockpuppets

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Summary

All socks try to find evidence of increased acceptance of Northern Cyprus in the areas of UN declarations, Sports, (especially Billiards and Tae Kwon Do), and university education. They also have a habit of using walls of text and write loud remarks on talkpages. They also use original research and synthesis to advance their POV. I know this is stale for CU but I submit the following evidence based on behavioural grounds.

Comparative analysis

Topic:
Sports (Billiards, Taekwon do and other)

Alexyflemming: (NC is a member of Int'l Fed. of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA), Global Taekwon-do Fed., Fed.Int'l FootballTennis Association, European Cyclists' Fed, European Billiard Fed, Union Mondial de Billard, etc.)]
Blocked sock Dianapeaces: (→‎Sports: North Cyprus is a member of World Pool-Billard Association. WPA Official site linked.)
Alexyflemming: (EPBF MEMBERS)
Blocked sock A3000B: (→‎Sports: National teams of Cyprus and North Cyprus matched in an international sport tournament for the first time in Pool Billiard 2010 of European Championships for National Teams.) see also: Alexyflemming:(→‎Edit request: Northern Cyprus and Cyprus are being represented as two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)). Notice emphasis on "proving" TRNC and Cyprus are two separate countries using minor events.

Tae Kwon Do

The Kosovo declaration

Freedom House

Education in Northern Cyprus

Loud all capitals in discussions

Including bombardment with walls of text: [1]

Disruption on the talkpage of Northern Cyprus

Revives a discussion from 19 January 2013 from last year involving ARBMAC blocked editor E4024 and uses him in his list of supporters to advance his synthesis, while at the same time asking that the time stamps and signatures of the editors commenting be removed: [2].

This is for starters. Additional diffs on request. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 01:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC) Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 01:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
To Summary part:
Since the lack of recognition of Northern Cyprus restricts it in many sport branches, its accepted sport branches (rather a little number) seems to being spotted is normal.

"walls of text": Every serious wiki-user supports its arguements with references and strong evidences. This may take little long compared with instant and non-supported info and data.

"loud remarks on talkpages": The simplest thing to differentiate a text is capitalize it. Though that, there are many edits that I used boldface and italics. See my edits since 20 February 2010.

"usage of original research and synthesis to advance their POV": I refer the articles that citing other articles as references. If one clearly see my edits since 20.02.2010, this can be seen clearly. Also, I don't have any intention to advance my edits.
Notice that even when many wiki users share my thoughts in Talk pages, I still wait other wiki-users to share the same things, or even further contribute with different thoughts: Here is just one proof:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592682665&oldid=592537514
Edit summary of the above edit: "I am listing the supporters of the proposal. Let people that support and disagree the proposal participate the poll with the reasoning of their vote."
As is clearly seen, I have no aim to promote my ideas. I strongly try to collect counter ideas as well!

I will reply the other claims as well. Please wait. Till that, please observe the following.
1. Background: I am a very old Wiki-user. My first edit: 20 February 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Pool-Billiard_Association&oldid=345174463

2. I do not need to copy myself for gaining an extra advantage or something else in Wikipedia. Just the opposite, I try to convince the other Wiki-users in Talk Pages of Wikipedia articles. Look:
I am accused to enter an edit war at 21.01.2014 19.04:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexyflemming&diff=prev&oldid=591752969

See the accused edit war in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&action=history

Though that we (I and some other wiki user) talked many things and reached consensus in the Talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592158491&oldid=592157321

And, I did not make any edit about the thing discussed as is seen from 21.01.2014 17.00.
That is to say, the claimed edit war never happened. Observe even after we reached the consensus in the talk page, I did not process the consensus to the article page since I want many wiki-users to share the consensus we reached.

3. Edit merits are all different:
Statistically:
Items...Users Alexyflemming(me) Justice_Forever Combined
Unique pages: 37 11 2
Edit count: 91 18 29(me)/3(jf)
Normal edit time: 28.0101 22.684

Please wait while I am preparing the replies of other claims. There are so many accusations!

Education in Northern Cyprus: See the huge difference about the subject of claimed edits; one is "no. of univ. students in a country", and the other is "accreditation of one of the universities in that country". It is a fact that every edit in an article advances that article. Hence, contributions by adding the recent developments and news about the education of one country should not be confused with its promotion, especially from the perspective of "increased acceptance of a country". Because, when viewed in that way, not only me, but also evey wiki user contributing that page by editing the current developments can be regarded as socpuppettry. This is valid not also for me, for that issue, but also for other wiki users and for other wiki articles as well. I request wiki admins especially notice this difference. Could we regard all the contributors to an issue (an ordinary wiki article) all sockpuppettry?

Freedom House case: As seen clearly, I am updating a statistics and data in Wiki article for the year 2014. Another wiki user can update for the year 2015, etc. The updaters of a statistics or data in a wiki article are clearly not sockpuppeters of each other. I kindly request the moderators of Wikipedia to pay attention to this difference. Obsolete and not-up-to-date statistics and data in Wikipedia must be made. The coincidence of the edits in that respect should not be regarded as puppet. Look when one read a wiki article, one may aware the oldness of the info, and react it. There are many wiki articles with little info, hence, the subjects of edits of may coincide in many case.

Abuses of others: I cooperate with Wikipedia authorities whenever I see an abuse. This is valid, even well before this sockpupettrry claim, Look: I desired help ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Abuse_response&diff=592554312&oldid=580508095 ) in 26.01.2014 for the disastrous edits of others:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trikomo,_Cyprus&diff=592764797&oldid=592690564
I do not observe any cooperation of the justice forever with Wikipedia. Alexyflemming (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One last note. My wiki username is not puppet, it is my name and surname. Do not hesitate to contact with me via alexyflemming at gmail dot com Alexyflemming (talk) 10:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Further accusation and further disproof:
Disruption on the talkpage of Northern Cyprus:
I do not revive the discussion. The issue that Dr. K. mentioned lied and STILL lies in the Talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Northern_Cyprus) when I wanted to mention my thoughts. So, I decided to add my thoughts. As an any ordinary wiki user, I still consider that if a writing or issue lies in the talk page of a wiki article, then normally one may think the issue is still continueing, one maybe cannot aware the time-stamps of other edits when editing. If it was dead, then it was already taken to archieves, wasn't it so?

I do not follow who is blocked or not when I make edits. I didn't know E4024 was blocked. Still, for me, I do not see anything that shows E4024 is blocked:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:E4024&action=history Here, there are blocks, but there are UNblocks as well. When I made my edit on 07:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC), E4024 was an UNblocked normal wiki user, as is currently the situation.[reply]

One may add an unblocked wiki user in his or her list of supporters when a poll or survey. When a wiki user is unblocked, he or she is just an ordinary wiki user, not different from the others.

"asking that the time stamps and signatures of the editors commenting be removed": As you state I am asking! I made edit for not disruption, but organizing. Look at my edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=next&oldid=592709221 I even not change a comma from your edit:
Before my edit:

This is pure synthesis. There are no reliable sources which support this statement. Please consult WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:SYNTHESIS. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 23:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After my edit:
Δρ.Κ.: This is pure synthesis. There are no reliable sources which support this statement. Please consult WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:SYNTHESIS. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 23:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, as is seen clearly, I even not change a comma from the comment of Dr. K, only organize. Also, I asked from him (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr.K.&diff=592792576&oldid=592758825) whether he knows a wiki tool to collect votes and thoughts simultameously: This is the content of my edit on Dr. K.'s page: Hi, Dr. K. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592791087&oldid=592781593 You said: "Not allowed to change the comments of others.". My aim was not to change the user comments as you may guess immediately (I did not change even a comma in your comment in essence). I wanted only organize the pro and con opinions in the systematic way. I do not know any way of this. A table is not suitable I think. Once I remimber, there were green OK and red NON symbols in Wikipedia for voting in Talk pages. I think, consensus is more than voting, in essence. Is there a tool in Wikipedia that users put pro..con symbols while simultanously have the ability to add relevant opinion? I think the merit of pro..con opininions superside the numbers of pros or cons. Kind regards. Alexyflemming (talk) 13:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Alexyflemming (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

Alexyflemming has said on my talk page, that just need some more time to organise their defence and put it on this page. Would patrolling admins please give him some time to reply to the claims above. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked through the evidence and counter claims I'm not convinced that Alexyflemming is a sock of Justice Forever so am closing with no action. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 *[[User:Alexyflemming|Alexyflemming]] has said on my talk page, that just need some more time to organise their defence and put it on this page. Would patrolling admins please give him some time to reply to the claims above. Thanks, <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 08:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
+*Having looked through the evidence and counter claims I'm not convinced that Alexyflemming is a sock of Justice Forever so am closing with {{Impossible|no action}}. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 11:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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