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Welcome

Hello Uriah923, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Suggestions

Tagging your article with categories (like Category:Coal or Category:Petroleum production) will help people find them and improve them. If you aren't sure of the right category name, type the most general category you can think of into the Go/Search form, and then look for appropriate subcategories in it. Gazpacho 02:11, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Complaints

Information icon Hello, I'm Uriah923. I wanted to let you know that one or more external links you added have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. --W(t) 01:31, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. --85.166.8.211 14:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Information icon Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. tregoweth 06:45, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

See discussion on tregoweth's talk page and below concerning these allegations. Uriah923 19:22, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation

You've been warned before against adding innapropriate links. Please also understand you must respect copyright laws. If you copy any more material into Wikipedia without having proof you are the copyright holder, you will be blocked from editing. we'd rather have you make positive contributions. - Taxman Talk 16:43, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

  • Please show me via direct quotes from Wikipedia policy what rules I have broken. Let me do the same to show why I've provided the links: From Wikipedia: External links, What Should Be Linked To:
  • That's not really how this works. You see, I look for good faith efforts to improve the project within the rules. I will continue to assume good faith until you continue to break the rules, and then I won't any more. I've moved the discussion here, please respect that. I will watchlist this page and respond when I return on Monday. - Taxman Talk 02:47, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • I have provided good faith efforts to improve the project within the rules. Your accusation of copyright violation is purely assumption and I'm positive it will completely go away once the OmniNerd people put up a copyright policy. Until that time, however, I will refrain from cutting-and-pasting any content into Wikipedia. Uriah923 15:03, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you are trying to play with in the rules, great, but fact is you weren't successfully doing so, at least on the copy and paste, which is a direct copyright violation. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate you are not making a copyright violation, not the other way around. This is because Wikipedia can't afford to violate copyright. As long as you don't cut and paste anything into Wikipedia you haven't written (or don't have clear proof of agreement to relicense under the GFDL, then there won't be any problem relating to this. - Taxman Talk 15:56, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
#2 - Sites that have been cited or used as references in the creation of a text. Intellectual honesty requires that any site actually used as a reference be cited. To fail to do so is plagiarism.
#5 - High content pages that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article at which point the link would remain as a reference.
I've tried #5 - added links to high content sites with neutral and accurate material not in the article, but tregoweth erased all of them. So, I tried #2 - added substantial and applicable information to the articles and then linked to the referenced site. Again, these links AND content have now been removed by tregoweth. Tregoweth provides no coherent reason for the deletions. As the content I've added adheres to policy and makes significant contributions to the articles edited, I can see no reason for its removal other than a personal vendetta. A perfect example is History of Islam, in which I inserted content in sections that were marked 'to be written' and then provided a link (per policy as stated above). The content was high quality and filled a noticeable gap in the article. Why was it deleted?
Also, Taxman, what copyright violations have been made? Brandon 19:19, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know that it's a "vendetta," but I dislike the use of Wikipedia for self-promotion. By adding links to Omninerd articles, then excerpts from OmniNerd articles with "footnotes" that happen to link back to Omninerd, you are doing just that.
Also, by posting material here, you are licensing it under the GFDL; but there don't seem to be GFDL notices on Omninerd. You may want to look into this. tregoweth 20:01, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
If your reason for deleting is "self-promotion," it is completely unfounded. According to the policy you cited:
"Self-promotion. While you are free to write about yourself or projects you have a strong personal involvement in, remember that the standards for encyclopedic articles apply to such pages just like any other. A very few somewhat famous Wikipedians have significantly contributed to encyclopedia articles about themselves and their accomplishments, and this has mostly been accepted after some debate. Creating overly abundant links and references to autobiographical articles is not acceptable."
The content I've posted that you've erased is not about myself or projects I have a strong personal involvement in. How, therefore, can you use "self-promotion" as a reason for deletion? Uriah923 00:26, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well if you continually add links to one specific site, it's pretty obvious you're trying to use Wikipedia's high search engine ranking to benefit your preferred site. If you really aren't associated with the site, then just go find other high quality sites and add links to all of them. I haven't checked over all the links you've added so I don't know if they are high quality at all. Your assessment of high quality may be well less than what Wikipedia normally considers to be so. Personally I care a lot less about adding links to sites than I do about copyright violation. We have to be careful to avoid that. But we also can't add indescriminant links to sites that aren't all that relevant. - Taxman Talk 02:47, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • I will not (and have not) added any indescriminant links. OmniNerd has a lot to add to Wikipedia, and while I understand the desire to prevent abuse, I think it dumb to prevent the addition of quality content simply because it comes from the same source. In the future, once the copyright issue is cleared up, why wouldn't each individual addition be evaluated simply on its merit? Uriah923 15:03, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be but if you are just adding links to one specific site, it is obvious you are only promoting that site, so those additions will likely be scrutinized much more closely. If you read Wikipedia:External links you see links have to provide something valuable on the topic. A blog post, or editorial that is not from a prominent source is generally not counted as valuable. Wikipedia needs high quality, verifiable sources, not everyday opinions. There is a difference in quality among different sources of course. - Taxman Talk 15:56, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
If I can obtain a GFDL policy from OmniNerd, how do I make it available to Wikipedia editors? Uriah923 00:28, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taxman, in reference to what you used as a reason to delete some content I added - Please tell me how I 'demonstrate I have the copyright' or show I have 'permission to GFDL the text' (whatever that is)? Uriah923 19:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's up to you. You need to find some way to prove you wrote the material you are copying to Wikipedia, or the person that wrote it (and thus has the copyright) has assigned the copyrights to you, or given you permission to license the material under the GFDL. Read what is at the bottom when you edit every page: "By submitting your work you promise you wrote it yourself, or copied it from public domain resources—this does not include most web pages." You've got some reading to do. You need to read and understand the GFDL and understand copyright. Here are some links to read up on it:
The additions you have made are obviously violations. You have copied word for word material someone else wrote. You will be blocked from editing if you do it again. Like I said, we'd rather you became a great contributor. Also read through the links in the welcome message above, they'll help you learn how to contribute successfully. - Taxman Talk 02:47, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the info and thanks for being reasonable and explaining what you are looking for. Hopefully, once this copyright thing is taken care of my additions will be free to be evaluated on their content and quality - which would allow me to be a "great contributor." Uriah923 15:03, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, if you clearly have permission to GFDL the material, then it is fine, but keep in mind the above too. Quality is important. High quality sources, such as peer reviewed literature, or respected books are much more desireable than websites. See also Wikipedia:Cite sources. - Taxman Talk 15:56, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with Omninerd. My problem is that most of your article edits have been to add links to Omninerd. As Taxman said, "Well if you continually add links to one specific site, it's pretty obvious you're trying to use Wikipedia's high search engine ranking to benefit your preferred site."

One of the contributors to History of Islam has decided to add a link to an Omninerd article because they think it's useful. That's fine. What you were doing, solely adding links to Omninerd in many disparate articles, appeared to be spamming.

If you have your own material to contribute, and don't mind that it will "be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will," by all means add it. tregoweth 15:32, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, then. I will add quality content to Wikipedia articles that lack it. Following the form of what Jmabel did on History of Islam, if I find an external article that, adhering to Wikipedia policy, has content that is not a part of a lacking Wikipedia article, I will add a link in External links. I expect you to treat each case individually based on the content of the article, not simply the url. Uriah923 15:51, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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