File talk:Nations of the UK2.jpg

Is there a good reason for the Kingdom of Scotland being dropped down a bit from the top line? This visually implies that it's a bit later than the others, when in fact the year given for its origin is earlier than the others. ....dave souza 11:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The diagram flows better in this format - the Kingdom of Scotland was unchanged in the period when the others changed, so it goes in the middle. The design is to simplify the layout - not to represent time or power etc.

Deano (Talk) 15:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beg to differ. The Northern Isles became controlled by Scotland in c.1471 (see below, i.e. after the English successfully invaded and occupied Wales, but before the "Union"), after an unpaid dowry arrangement with Norway, and retained their own legal status up until 1707, if not in some cases later. Some of their inhabitants do not consider themselves Scottish. See udal law.--MacRusgail 18:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, the design as cleaned up makes the relationship with a kink out of Scotland's box look more awkward rather than flowing better. I really think lining up all the original nations in the top row would be much more satisfactory. ...dave souza 00:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and that's how it was in my original version of this diagram: Image:Nations of the UK.jpg which was better in all respects. --JW1805 (Talk) 01:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New version

I've cleaned up this image to remove artefacts, put in proper arrows and make it generally clearer. It's also now a PNG rather than JPG which is more suitable for a diagram. The new version can be found here: Image:British_isles_history_v2.png --taras 22:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

There is also no mention of Cornwall in here, and it goes without saying that the borders of England and Wales are not really reflected. Wales has "oscillated" a lot over the years, and the northern border of England has also moved between the Firth of Forth and the River Ribble. Orkney and Shetland were only annexed into Scotland in c.1471. I'm not even going into the Isle of Man, which appears as a dot, but is not part of the UK, or the Kingdom of the Isles!!! --MacRusgail 18:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]