File talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia (1868-1918).png

Distortion of historical facts

This map is inserted into various articles with a claim that there was a Triune Kingdom (1868-1918) of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia as a political unit of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (Dalmatia within a 'Triune Kingdom' etc.). This is a distortion of historical facts: Dalmatia was a part of Austria from 1867-1918, and Croatia-Slavonia was a part of Hungary from 1867-1918. Triune Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia was a political goal of Croatian politics at the time, but it was never achieved before the break-up of Austria-Hungary (1918). The way this map is presented is simply wishful thinking and not a verifiable historical fact.--FreedonNadd 19:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

That's why Dalmatia and Croatia-Slavonia are in different colours. However, the kingdom existed on some levels. The Croatian government stylized itself as the Triune kingdom, had a flag consisting of all three regional symbols, etc. Also, you can see here [1] that the Dalmatian coat of arms appears on both the Austrian and Hungarian sides, which suggests Hungary may have supported the Croatian claim.

Modern Croatia is based on this Triune Kingdom. I don't see how it is POV to demonstrate it, especially since I have highlighted the fact that it was comprised of two separate kingdoms. --Thewanderer 21:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You said that the Triune Kingdom existed on some levels - on what levels exactly (especially, on what government and state-administration levels?)? After the Ausgleich of 1867 the Austrian Empire was divided into two parts - Cisleithania (the Austrian part) and Transleithania (the Hungarian part). Cisleithania and Transleithania had separate administrations (in Vienna and Budapest respectively) - Dalmatia was a province in Cisleithania, Croatia-Slavonia was (albeit an autonomous) province in Transleithania. Representatives from Dalmatia went to the parliament in Vienna, while the representatives of Croatia-Slavonia went to Budapest. Yet, you present the Triune Kingdom in the articles as something very real (comments added to the map in various articles). The map is not the problem, its usage is - you are implying a real level of government for something that existed only in theory--FreedonNadd 21:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

In fact it did. On some kinds it did.
I'll provide you the details later, but if I remember well, Croatian Sabor had title that encompassed all three. Or, if you want it, search the internet with phrases "trojednica" or "trojedna kraljevina" (=triune kingdom).
And yes, FreedonNadd, we know that Monarchy was split into two parts, and with that "partition", the Croatia and Croat people also. Ruling parties of Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia and Kingdom of Dalmatia fought for reunion of these two Croat units. The question of Istria and B&H was a special case; B&H were under Ottoman rule, while Istria payed its toll of being neighbour of Italian national corpse and Austrian buying of Italian friendship (by suppressing Croats and Slovenians; the Croat and Slovenian question has been solving very slowly, with first successes of Croat and Slovenian majority in 20th century, some after Balkan Wars!). Kubura 14:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the official coat-of-arms of Croatian Diet from those times, it contained three coats-of-arms: of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia. And, as such, was also in Hungarian royal coat-of-arms. Kubura 06:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)