Talk:Nothing

This article was nominated for deletion on 8/5/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Something about Nothing

Nothing is something not in anything, but always in nothing. Ananya Sengupta

This article does not cite any references or sources. References to nothing? There are an infinite number of URL's for that... 12.197.112.117 (talk) 04:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Not according to Google, ghits = 657,000,000 with our article number three. SpinningSpark 16:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Devil > God

"In one old joke, if nothing is worse than the Devil, and nothing is greater than God, then the Devil must be greater than God:

Devil > (nothing), (nothing) > God

Devil > (nothing) > God

Devil > God"

I think that this joke might be a bit offensive to some people and is not really necessary to the article, And that is why I am deleating it, but is some what amusing. Sorry! Tobi is a good boy 00:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I enjoyed your joke :) Hitherebrian (talk) 02:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

much ado about nothing. is this where we come to talk about nothing? -76.27.231.192 (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC) (i can't recover my password) >.<

this is very funny, I'd keep it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.171.66 (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I have put this back. It makes the point of the fallacy a lot clearer than the text that replaced it and Wikipedia is not censored. IMO this comes under the same argument that we should not take down images of Mohammed because Muslims find them offensive. If it's only purpose in being there was to cause offence then that would be different, but it is not, it illuminates the article. SpinningSpark 10:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I would either remove or correct it. It's not that I find it offensive, at all. Anyone who visits this page would stand above that level of religious debating. But I did find it distracting, because it is logically flawed. Bad (i.e. "worse") is simply not the antonym of great (i.e. "greater"), but of good. "Nothing is worse than the Devil" does not equate "The Devil is greater than nothing". For the presumed fallacy to be more than a stretched game of words, and make the sound logical sense that the article deserves, "greater" would need to be substituted by "better", even as that may take away from its joke quality a little: 1. Nothing is worse than the Devil; 2. Nothing is better than God; 3. The Devil is better than God. --Lucian (talk) 13:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Existence of God

Why does "arguments for the existence of God" link to this page (instead of linking to "Existence of God")? Is someone trying to be funny? (Note that this only occurs if "god" is uncapitalised, which is how most people do searches, even if they mean "God".) Paulgear (talk) 06:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed - vandalism. SpinningSpark 09:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

No Nothing

"Nothing" exists because we have thought about it. Any existance is substance (whether thought or matter)and therefore is something which negates the true existance of Nothing. Further, if we truly live in a finite universe, it would seem that even outside the confines of the Birth and Death of our known universe, "Nothing" still cannot exist. Certainly No-thing of matter could not exist, but what about non-matter (truth, justice, philosophy, love - knowledge) whose existence would again negate pure Nothing? It would seem that all of existance must never have been. Theology would inject that The Creator has existant something from Nothing (hebrew "bara" - including matter and non-matter)). If this be true, then The Creator's existance truly negates Nothing. I guess the question could be: Can the finite understand the infinite? I certainly can not, but it interesting to think about. BCKenai (talk) 07:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Substance as a philosphical idea is entirely archaic and has been replaced by real science. SpinningSpark 16:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

As far as the history of philosophy goes, SpinningSpark is right, "substance" is an archaic term. However I don't think we should approach Nothing, as a concept, from any historical perspective (i.e. "substance" vs. "real science"), be that even the current perspective, but from an absolute one. That would be one acknowledging that anything is possible and that the current knowledge may well be superseded by future developments. Despite Spark's comment, and presuming that he's the writer/editor of the article, I actually did not find the article historically biased.--Lucian (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

True: as the opposite of anything there is, Nothingness (i.e. "nothing") cannot reside in the world. Meanwhile, if the world is finite, one simply cannot make an assumption on what is the outside of the world like. You can have your beliefs, but you cannot know. Anything you can think of is by default world-alike. You cannot imagine anything else than the forms of matter and force of this world. Thus, one cannot say that Nothingness cannot reside outside of the world either. It can. Anything can, even "nothing". The big question is: is Nothingness true, or just a reification? By true I mean a fundamental, un-divisible element of our datum, such as Pain, Matter, Force, Mortality. Because, if N is true, and since N needed to be outside of the world, then one would have demonstrated the very existence of an outside of the world, or of a point on the fringes of the world that may lead to an outside! That obviously would tie in with many mainstream beliefs among people, including BCKenai's "Creator" mention here, including gods, heaven & hell, nirvana, parallel universes etc., but those beliefs bring no valid argumentation. So the real, big question is: is Nothingness true?--Lucian (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I deny emphatically that I am the author of this article. My only part in it has been to protect the God/Devil fallacy from pro-christian vandals. As always, unable to think logically, they do not realise that one must first believe that God is greater than the Devil for the incorrect conclusion of the fallacy to even have meaning. SpinningSpark 22:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Nothing

I think that if someone is not smart enough to understand what "Nothing" means, then they, in turn, won't have enough intelligence to use the Internet and Wiki it. Plus, why is this article even necessary? Because is a Philosophical article? I think this should be deleted. I won't nominated it for deletion, I'm just bringing it to attention that it is a useless article and it doesn't even need to be here. And, who ever thought it was decent to put an atheist joke on wikipedia wasn't thinking there decision through. Do you think the joke might serve a purpose? To help someone better understand the concept of Nothing by making putting a joke in there? Its like putting Muslim jokes on Wikipedia. It doesn't even HAVE to be there. But anyways, its like having an article on "Something", which I have just Wiki'ed and it turns out is a song, album, and apparently something to do with logic. At least its related to math in some way. People, if Philosophers spent there time helping solve problems like world hunger, gas prices, alternitive ways to create energy or fuel, we'd have a lot of the problems solved by now. It just goes to show you, they waste there time debating subjects like, "should nothing be considered a Philosophy?" or, "Is God or the Bible real?" when they could be helping the world. Even modern day Philosophers, like the ones on Wikipedia, could be making better, more important articles instead of these Bull-Crap ones.

Otaku Thief (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Otaku Thief

People, if people who complain on talk pages of admittedly irrelevant subjects spent there time helping solve problems like world hunger, gas prices, alternitive ways to create energy or fuel, we'd have a lot of the problems solved by now.

Fix't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.206.252 (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and the same goes for you too buddy. Stop being hypocrite. And please stay on subject and stop insulting people. Thank you.

Otaku Thief (talk) 13:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Otaku Thief