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==Through the Keyhole==


Just thought it would amuse you to know that someone else literally edited the name section (mortimer) at the same time that they had just seen the same TV programme re Mickey Rooney. I've checked it out, and yes, it appears that Mickey Rooney's claim to be the first 'Mickey' has very common currency.[[User:Iamlondon|Iamlondon]] 14:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


==First appearence or first with sound?==


Was 'Steamboat Willie' the first appearance of Mickey, or the first with sound?


The first with sound. Now was Steamboat Willie the first Mickey cartoon with sound or the first cartoon of any sort with sound? --rmhermen


Here's some evidence that "Steamboat Willie" was not the first sound cartoon (as is claimed in the [[Steamboat Willie]] and [[Walt Disney]] articles). First, in the book ''Hollywood Cartoons'' by Michael Barrier, it is mentioned that at least two sound cartoons were released earlier in 1928 than "Willie": the Aesop's Fable cartoon "Dinner Time" and the Fleischer Brothers cartoon "The Sidewalks of New York". Barrier quotes some letters by Disney, written before the release of "Steamboat Willie", in which those cartoons are mentioned. Second, [http://vitaphone.thetaband.com/flip.html this website] claims that "Dinner Time" was the first sound cartoon.


-Walt Disney


The First Mickey Mouse cartoon was "Plane Crazy"; "Steamboat Willie" was the third one made, but the first one released (and indeed the first one with Sound).
[[User:TimothyJacobson|TimothyJacobson]] 21:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


MEOW!!!strikes again
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==Mickey inspired by blackface?==

I remember hearing something way back in the day about Mickey Mouse have been originally based on [[blackface]] performers. I don't remember any of the old cartoons well enough to know, but if someone can add some encyclopedic information on this to the article, it would be nice. [[User:Tokerboy|Tokerboy]]

:That's what Wikipedia says at [[Bosko]]. -- [[User:Error|Error]] 02:15, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
::Speaking of Bosko, in the short "Hold Anything", a bunch of Mickey lookalikes appear dancing (and one of them literally loses his head). <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/71.52.188.239|71.52.188.239]] ([[User talk:71.52.188.239|talk]]) 05:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

=== How about Mickey in "blackface" in "Uncle Tom's Cabin" -- or, "The Meller Drammer" (1933)? ===

Important because it's a good example of the racism of Disney Studios. [[User:Deeceevoice|deeceevoice]] 01:59, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What? Still no taste for this subject among diehard Mickey Mouse fans?

*The United Artists 1933 release "The Meller Drammer" -- the name a corruption of "melodrama" thought to harken back to the earliest minstrel shows -- was a film short based on Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin. Mickey, of course, was already black; but for this role he was depicted with exaggerated, orange lips; bushy, white sidewhiskers; and, of course, his now trademark white gloves. Animation utilizing darky iconography aired on U.S. television as late as the mid 1990s, but rarely has appeared since. From [[blackface]] [[User:Deeceevoice|deeceevoice]] 10:27, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Here's a quote to support this notion, taken from Sacks, Howard L, and Sacks Judith (1993). ''Way up North in Dixie: A Black Family's Claim to the Confederate Anthem''. Washington: Smithsonian Institution Press, p. 158: "Mickey Mouse is the most graphic offspring of blackface minstrels' portrayals of the plantation slave. Black, wild-eyed, childlike, falsetto-voiced, and ever the clown, Mickey Mouse even takes his costuming from the burnt-cork brotherhood: see the oversized white gloves, the suspender buttons (minus suspenders), big feet, coy stance." —[[User:Amcaja|Amcaja]] 16:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't know that Disney is notable for a pattern of racism, but the debt that the old black-and-white cartoons owe to minstrelling seems like important context. I support the inclusion of this information, possibly in a separate article detailing the relationship of cartoon archetypes to the blackface tradition, with Mickey in the vanguard. [[User:Pjrich|Pjrich]] 20:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to try to add a section on this. ([[User:67.171.68.37|67.171.68.37]] 03:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

==Mickey's behavior==

Mickey Mouse started his career as what has been described as "at best a fresh and bratty kid, at worst a dimunitive and sadistic monster". In Steamboat Willie, he honks ducks with tight hugs, uses the teeth of a cow as a xylophone, and winds the tail of a goat like a music box. Mickey wasn't truly depraved; he just engaged in "pure, amoral, very boyish mischief". Because Mickey was somewhat fashioned after Charlie Chaplin, there were many similarities between these two characters.

Parents were alarmed with Mickey's obnoxious and crass behavior; a deluge of letters flooded Walt Disney's office, demanding a "kinder, gentler" mouse. Accompanying Mickey's physical makeover came a definite shift in behavior. Mickey was no longer loud and brash, but more quiet and charming. Mickey, then and now, is not particularly funny; he is attractive in a pleasant and appealing fashion. This is a trait that was inherited from Disney himself, who was not known to be truly humorous. Mickey abandoned slapsick comedy; he would forever be destined to be a "nice guy" with this major alteration.

Mickey's persona continued to soften as his physical traits smoothed out. One can say that he became a "goody-two shoes"; Mickey would never do anything questionable. He also gained more human traits: Mickey is probably the first mouse to wash a car or to conduct a symphony orchestra. Unlike the average mouse, he would never carry parasitic mites or nibble on electrical wiring. In essence, Mickey became a perfect gentleman-- but in the body of a mouse.

As Mickey grew in popularity around the world (although his heyday was quite brief; after World War II, Mickey ranked third in a poll regarding favorite cartoon characters-- Donald Duck took first while Bugs Bunny landed second), Mickey's abilities increased. He could do anything and everything well; he would never be doing anything remotely immoral. Should something terrible befall Mickey, there is always an innocent reason behind the trouble. Because of this angelic construction, there are definite parameters as to what Mickey can and cannot do. Mickey is expected to be a lovable and sweet mouse. Thus, his wild days must stay in the past... but everybody loves Mickey nonetheless.

These days, Mickey is still widely known for his charm, manners, and shy kindness. "Mickey" is synonymous with all that is good and benign; he is the ultimate symbol of happiness and delight. Mickey has survived through the ravages of World War II (where his name was the code word for the entire Allied mission) as well as the different trends that the world has followed. Whether he is donning an immaculate tuxedo or clad only in swimming trunks, Mickey will forever be hailed as the greatest mouse to grace the earth.
: ''from [[User:213.146.192.200]]''


:It's sort of not NPOV (Neutral Point of View). Good, but keep it a NPOV.[[User:Abby724|Abby724]] 05:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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==First appearance?==

When did Mickey Mouse actually make his first appearance? The current page states that it was on [[November 18]] [[1928]]; the [[September 18]] page states that ''[[Steamboat Willie]]'' was first released in 1928 on that day; and the entry on ''[[Steamboat Willie]]'' says the movie was released on [[July 29]] [[1928]]. I'm a bit lost... -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 03:17, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

ImdB says November 18. I'll make the correction. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:29, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse did not debut in ''[[Steamboat Willie]]''. He debuted in an earlier cartoon, ''[[Plane Crazy]]'', on May 15, 1928

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==Silly and Irrelevant image==

Removed this from the page, as it is silly and irrelevant:

:''On November 14, [[2002]], the following image was discovered during restoration of a church's outside wall in the town of Malta in [[Austria]]. It is part of a 14th century fresco depicting [[Saint Christopher]] of the Catholic Church, who is often shown accompanied by fabulous creatures:

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[[Image:Micky.jpg]]
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:''Mickey Mouse bears a striking resemblance to this image.''

::I thought it was kinda funny, trivial as it might be...

::: "Silly" perhaps (though any more so than Mickey himself?), but I thought it was useful having a clearly public domain image that gives a pretty good idea of what Mickey looks like. I'd like this to go back in the article. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 00:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::: I also liked that image. Maybe it shouldn't be the main one, but I think it should be in there somewhere. [[User:LizardWizard|LizardWizard]] 02:33, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

:: More than silly, this dubious claim is uncited and un-sourced. Please include a citation or ditch it. Looks bogus to me. [[User:Zosodada|Zosodada]] 8 July 2005 22:02 (UTC)

:::Well sourced or un-sourced, the photo caused a media storm when it was released, after the image was found. The Walt Disney Company were reported to have purchased the fresco to keep it in their reception area at the Walt Disney Studios in Burbank, but I believe that is trash. Anyway, it is real. --[[User:Speedway|Speedway]] July 9, 2005 18:17 (UTC)

*I just restored the 14th century picture as there is no copyright problem with that and removed the original Mickey mouse picture and the one that was showing Disney signing. These are copyrighted. I'm not sure how to arrange the text and links that have been in the text? Could somebody take care of this? Or I'll go into this the next days. (anon)

** I have a photo of a 15th century fresco in a church in [[Gotland]], Sweden, depicting St. George fighting a dragon. Believe it or not, the dragon has Mickey ears! But, that, too, is trivia, and really doesn't belong in the article... --[[User:Janke|Janke]] | [[User talk:Janke|Talk]] 06:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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==Sections==

Does anyone want to tackle the task of adding sections to this article? It'd make it much more accessible. If not, I may tackle it someday. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 19:11, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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== MM's height and weight? ==

Where is MM's height and weight documented? This article currently says:
Standing 2'3" and weighing 23 pounds, the mouse rapidly rose to the
pinnacle of American culture, being more widely recognized overseas
than any other American icon but the US flag.
[[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 04:11, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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I'm not sure where this came from, but it sounded odd as included in the opening paragraph. I removed it. [[User:Kmccoy|kmccoy]] [[User_talk:Kmccoy|(talk)]] 09:33, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Mickey Mouse as private eye?==
Almost all recent (ie. 1980 and onwards) Mickey Mouse comics depict him as a private detective, who cooperates with [[Chief O'Hara (Disney Comics)|Chief O'Hara]] to stop [[Black Pete]] or the [[Phantom Blot]]. Is this well known outside of Europe? Was it invented by American or Italian artist? When did it start? [[User:Arj|arj]] 18:29, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
: I know about it, but I'm a fairly big Disney nut. Most Canadians, and even more Americans, have no clue there is even Disney comics, let alone ones where Mickey is a private eye. I'm guessing an American writer created it, and the plots took flight when the Italians got a hold of it, seeing how much they helped shape the Disney comic universe. -- [[user:zanimum]]
:: Doesn't this originally stem from Paul Murry's 60's-70's Mickey comics, or am I off-track here?
::: Mickey as a private detective goes definitively further back, possibly the first clear 'mystery-thriller' plot in which he acts more or less as a private eye/detective is the story 'Mickey Mouse Outwits The Phantom Blot' by [[Floyd Gottfredson]] published in '''1941'''! BTW: as a child that story really scared me. Although many stories by Gottfredson had a mistery tone, I agree that the most 'classic' Mickey detective stories have been written in Italy but already since the '50s, one of the best of that period is [[Romano Scarpa]]'s "Kali's Nail" (Topolino e l'unghia di Kalí). I think something on this side of Mickey should be added to the article. [[User:Plch|Plch]] 01:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== WDP's creation? ==

The term Walt Disney Pictures is used since 1980s. Even after 1980s, WDP can't stand for the whole Sections about animation in The Walt Disney Company. So I think this term should be changed.[[User:Mickeymousechen|Mickeymousechen]] 16:18, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)mickeymousechen

== Mickey on parade ==

Just heard on the news that Mickey Mouse is going to be Grand Marshall of the 2005 Rose Bowl parade. Even though this is just a guy in a suit, maybe this could somehow be added to the article as reference to his appearances in and links to modern culture beyond cartoons?
: I saw the thing too, and it's been added. Mickey is a character, and as long as it fits within his copyrightable tome, it fits. Also, who's to say it's a guy in there? -- [[user:zanimum]]

== Images ==

Are we able to get one of Mickey Mouse? - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 05:19, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[[Image:MickeyTrumpetMG03.jpg|thumb|250px|right|[[Trumpet]]er costumed as Mickey Mouse, [[New Orleans Mardi Gras]], 2003.]]
: Disney is NOTORIOUS about not allowing and "Fairuse" of images of Mickey. I rather like the one above (removed by someone who didn't sign themselves), and would like it back in the article. Who objects? ... At the right is my own contribution of a Mickey image... Hm.... -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 00:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[[Image:Mickey ears on sign.jpg|thumb|250px|right|A typical style of sign in [[Walt Disney World]], showing one of many uses by Disney of the Mickey ears logo.]]
::I should be able to get a photo from public property of one of the displays at the entrance to Disney World, like the one at [http://web.archive.org/web/20030404004040/http://web.mit.edu/spui/www/flmplex/111-1173_IMG.jpg] but better quality. Or, if that's not OK (since the display is on private property), how about the one at right? This sign is on public property owned by the [[Reedy Creek Improvement District]]. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] 07:30, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
:::I added the road sign to the 'The icon' section, since it does a decent job of showing a use of the Mickey ears without any copyright problems. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] 02:03, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== Copyright ==

Mickey is often said to be "copyrighted", but a character cannot be copyrighted. A copyright applies to a concrete work such as a book or a film, not a character. A drawing of a character can be copyrighted, but the character itself cannot be. So I'm puzzled why it's said that Mickey Mouse will fall into the public domain when Steamboat Willie does, since Mickey Mouse is protected by trademark law, not copyright law. Would the expiration of the copyright also result in the expiration of the trademark? The only reason I can imagine is the argument that a trademark that is undefended is invalid, but I don't think that would hold here. - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 14:50, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:As I understand it, any drawing or photo of Mickey is a derivative work, just as if I take a photo of a recent sculpture. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] 22:23, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm confused. A photo of a sculpture can still be copyrighted even if the sculpture is ancient, if I understand correctly. This suggests that a work derived from the public domain is not itself public domain. But then, if I did take a photo of a recent sculpture that was itself copyrighted, I'd have to get rights to redistribute the photo. But all this suggests to me is that Disney need no longer be paid when somebody distributes Steamboat Willie, which I can't imagine being a large source of revenue. It oughtn't affect later works, unless that free distribution affects the ability to defend the trademark... is that it? Sounds very contrived to me, even for intellectual property law. - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 05:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, a photo can be copyrighted, but if you take a picture of one you can release it to the public domain. However, if you take a photo of a copyrighted sculpture, you can only release your additional parts to the public domain (so that when the sculpture itself passes, or when it would pass if Disney didn't control copyright law, your photo will too). If I make an exact or close copy of that sculpture, it's a derivative work, and similarly cannot be public domain. If I make a drawing or photo of Mickey, I believe it would be the same sort of thing. Steamboat Willie (and every depiction of Mickey) is still copyrighted, thanks to [[Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act|Mr. Bono]]. I'm not a lawyer though, and I may be wrong. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] 06:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I still don't buy this explanation. Yes, when you take a photo of a sculpture you can only claim copyright on "the additional parts", but that does not mean your copyright expires when the copyright on the sculpture expires. In other words, the copyright on the photo and the copyright on the sculpture are entirely separate, in my understanding. The photo would indeed be a derivative work, but that only means that the holder of the copyright on the sculpture could restrict the distribution of the photograph (except in cases of fair use, of course); it doesn't mean that the copyright of the one is "tied" to that of the other. The same goes for copying the sculpture, except it's much less likely that you can copyright it at all since you have essentially copied the sculpture itself, which is the thing being protected. (Likewise you can't copyright your version if the original was public domain, unless it's part of a larger work that can be. However, you can still copyright a photograph of a public domain piece. So, again, I don't see how the analogy fits.) - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 12:00, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not sure if I'm interpreting you correctly, but you seem to be assuming that Mickey himself is public domain. This is false. [[Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act|Disney's servants]] have and probably will continue to extend copyright to keep Mickey from falling into the public domain. Thus the only possible grounds for use of a picture of Mickey will be fair use. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] 12:58, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Where did I suggest that? I have said quite explicitly that Mickey Mouse is trademarked (but not copyrighted). What I'm not understanding is how copyright would have anything to do with Mickey (as opposed to an individual cartoon) becoming public domain. - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 02:23, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

::The character will leave copyright once the first work using the character enters the public domain. Note that the ways to draw the character changed over the years so each of those different ways will not enter the public domain until that particular version has entered the public domain. The 2003 US Supreme Court decision in [[Dastar Corp. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp.]] found that you cannot use a trademark on a public domain work to make an infinite copyright term using trademark law instead of copyright law. Note also that any drawing made by another person whcih copies the essential elements of the character as it has been drawn by the original copyright holder may be a derivative work and possible copyright infringment (or possible fair use, depending on the circumstances). [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 16:44, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The phrase, "The character will leave copyright" pretty much ignores everything I've said. ;) I have been arguing this whole time that Mickey Mouse is not copyrighted because a character cannot be copyrighted, an idea that is made clear by pretty much any website explaining copyright. I don't think ''Dastar v. Fox'' really applies here. The tricky thing with that was that Dastar actually used the public domain work, rather than, say, creating a new series with the same characters. I think the latter would still be trademark infringement. In other words, this would seem to suggest that I could do whatever I want with a reworking of Steamboat Willie (again, if it were public domain), but I can't just create a Mickey Mouse cartoon with no connection to Steamboat Willie. So even though copyright law may trump trademark law, a character being in a public domain work does not seem to suggest that the character's trademark effectively expires. - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 02:23, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:You can't copyright a character, but you can copyright an image. Suppose I draw a cartoon mouse that looks exactly like Mickey, but I gve him a different name and use him as a dour spaceship captain in a sci-fi comic book. The ''character'' wouldn't be anything like Disney's Mickey, but Disney could prevent me from using a drawing that was sufficiently close to Mickey to constitute a copyright violation.

:You're right that trademark is separate. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney also had a trademark on the character, along with the copyright on the image. [[User:JamesMLane|JamesMLane]] 01:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Allow me to dispel a widely-reported urban legend about copyright and Disney. In 1993, the European Union adopted a [[Directive on harmonising the term of copyright protection|directive]] extending copyright terms. Because this extended term was made available within the EU to non-EU copyright owners on the basis of reciprocity, the directive was one of the main arguments in favor of the [[Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act]] passed by the U.S. Congress. The trend over the last few decades has been for U.S. copyright law to move into conformity with international copyright law and intellectual property conventions. Of course Disney supported the extension of copyright terms — so did virtually the entire publishing and entertainment industry! The idea that the U.S. Congress acted primarily to keep Mickey Mouse cartoons from falling into the public domain is just silly. There are larger issues involved here. [[User:Walloon|Walloon]] 11:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


== Fired or quit? ==

[[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit]] states that [[Walt Disney]] quit in disgust when his budget was cut: the article on [[Mickey Mouse]] states that [[Charles B. Mintz]] fired him.
Which is correct?
--[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 08:50, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

:Disney quit in disgust. – [[User:Pietro Shakarian|Pietro Shakarian]] 21:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

== Banned in Germany? ==
A couple edits ago an IP address added:

<blockquote>"In [[1936]], [[Adolf Hitler]] declared Mickey Mouse to be an [[enemy of the state]] in [[Nazi Germany]]."</blockquote>

Sine Hitler is a favourite subject of vandals, I tried to verify this, but as can be imagined google searches for such things return too many spurious results. Can anyone verify this? [[User:Qutezuce|Qutezuce]] 06:44, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

On my last trip to Germany about 15 years ago one of the museums in Berlin had an exhibition called something like "In the reich of Mickey Mouse" (In das Reich des Mickey Maus?). The exhibition had posters and other documents giving a chronicle (in German with a bit of English translations here and there) of the rise and fall of Mickey Mouse cartoons in Germany between the two world wars. It noted that Adolf Hitler was enraged at the great popularity of those foreign movies, and was most angry when he was told that members of the Nazi party would sometimes come to assemblies with Mickey Mouse pins on their lapels. This eventually led to a legal ban once he had come to power. It was all part of his campaign against foreign influences. --[[User:AlainV|AlainV]] 03:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

:Hitler actually enjoyed Disney's shorts. However, when he saw the 1929 Mickey Mouse cartoon, ''[[The Barnyard Battle]]'', his opinion quickly changed. The short depicted [[World War I]] German soldiers as feline foils for Mickey. This could have been a reason that eventual lead towards the character being banned from Nazi Germany. Actually, I'm not sure if he was completely banned at all. In any case, I added this information to the article. You guys can determine if it's useful or not. - [[User:Pietro Shakarian|Pietro Shakarian]] 02:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the claim that Hitler declared Mickey Mouse an "enemy of the state" in 1936. Documentation for this claim (repeated on many Internet sites, many simply echoing Wikipedia) is lacking. It should be noted that Hitler's propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary on December 22, 1937,
:"Ich schenke dem Führer 30 Klassefilme der letzten Jahre und 18 Micky-Maus-Filme. (...) Er freut sich darüber. Ist ganz glücklich über diesen Schatz." ("I am giving the Führer . . . 18 Mickey Mouse films [for Christmas]. He is very excited about it. He is completely happy about this treasure.”)
The exhibition "[http://www.hdg.de/Final/eng/page419.htm Als Mickey Mouse Nach Deutschland Kam]" (When Mickey Mouse Came to Germany), at the Haus der Geschichte der Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Museum of the History of the Federal Republic of Germany), which ought to be considered an authoritative source, says,
:After Hitler's takeover in 1933, Mickey Mouse initially remained on the German scene; but in 1941, when war was declared on the USA, he was banned in Germany.

The Mickey Mouse cartoon ''[[The Barnyard Battle]]'' was actually banned in 1930, three years before the Nazi Party came into power; it was permitted in 1931 after the offensive scenes were edited out. — [[User:Walloon|Walloon]] 04:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== Mickey Rooney...? ==

Is it worth it putting the fact that [[Mickey Rooney]] claims Mickey is really named after him? (More info on his page)... [[User:Kreachure|Kreachure]] 03:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
:...only if it's noted that the claim is not true. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 03:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

::It might well be true, although it is impossible to verify. It does deserve to be included on the page.

== Space Jam reference ==

It was not the Monstarrs that Bugs was referring to, but the suggestion of Daffy that ''their'' team, the Toon Squad, be named the "Ducks". As the Walt Disney Company had some influence in the naming of the Anaheim Mighty Ducks with their Mighty Ducks movies, that would be the "Mickey Mouse organization". --[[User:Geopgeop|Geopgeop]] 12:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

== Pejorative use of Mickey's name ==

The reference to Finns' apparent prejudice towards Microsoft I think is a bit over-blown. This reference is probably sustained within a very small group and I have never personally encountered it. Unless someone can cite it I think it should be removed.

== Mickey Films ==

Section currently states:

''"Mickey has only starred in one feature film: the "Mickey and the Beanstalk" segment of Fun and Fancy Free (1947). He has also starred in two half-hour theatrical featurettes, Mickey's Christmas Carol (1983, screened in front of a re-issue of The Rescuers) and The Prince and the Pauper (1990, screened in front of The Rescuers Down Under)."''

So the Sorceror's Apprentice segment of Fantasia (the section that inspired and was built upon to form Fantasia) doesn't count then?

When almost bust, Disney used Fantasia as either a last ditch effort to boost popularity, or as a final farewell as the studio couldn't afford to carry on production... Guess which happened!

== Gretzky incident ==

Just wanted to mention that I fixed the Gretzky part, removing this:

''"Wayne Gretzky once described the New Jersey Devils as a "Mickey Mouse" organization. The laugh was on him as they went on to win several Stanley Cups but Wayne did not."''

If the person who wrote that ever reads this, I want to tell them they are a moron, and shouldn't be adding things unless they do a minimal amount of research first. It is quite well known that Gretzky won 4 Stanley Cups, 3 of which came after this incident.

== first film/creation date not aligned? ==

How can the character be created in November 1928, yet the first film released is in May 1928?

== Images ==

Every image now has a fair-use, all the right tags and has a summary. I also salvaged the kingdom hearts one from deletion. I was interested in nominating this for [[Wikipedia:Esperanza/Programs#Esperanzian Drive]] if I'd could get some interest. I'm interested in getting this up to featured, so I might ask for a peer review too. Any other ideas of what to do? [[User:HighwayCello|H]]<font color="#009933">[[User:HighwayCello/Esperanza|ig]]</font>[[User:HighwayCello|hway]] <sup>[[user talk:HighwayCello|Rainbow Sneakers]]</sup> 21:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

==Incorrect caption?==
The caption for Image:Mickey-025.gif appears to be incorrect on several counts - ''steamboat willie'' (which should at least be capitalized) was not Mickey's first appearance. Also, is anyone certain that the image is actually from that particular cartoon in the first place? Even if it is, there are already several screencaps from ''Steamboat Willie'' included in the article so I'm not sure that image qualifies for fair use. -[[User:Big Smooth|Big]] ''[[User talk:Big Smooth|Smooth]]'' 19:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I've removed the "steamboat willie" party. [[User:Ace Class Shadow|Ace Class Shadow]] 19:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== Symbol of America ==

:"Aside from the national flag, Mickey Mouse may be the most recognizable symbol of modern America."

Says who? I see no citations. There are also claims that [[Ronald McDonald]] is the most recognized icon of America, being second only after Santa Claus.

:''Next to Santa Claus, the most instantly recognised figure in the world by children is Ronald McDonald, the annoying clown who serves as the company's “chief happiness officer”.''
:: [http://www.economist.com/markets/bigmac/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3285898 The Economist], October 2004.

[[User:Bogdangiusca|bogdan]] 16:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

:This isn't conclusive, but perhaps lends some credence to the idea of Mickey representing America. In 1934, with tensions mounting between the two countries, a Japanese animator created a cartoon of what is obviously Mickey Mouse (with a robber's mask covering his eyes) terrorizing a South Pacific population. He is defeated by heroic "Kuroneko Banzai" ("Black Cat Banzai") and heroes from Japanese mythology.
:''The Anime Encyclopedia'' by Jonathan Clements & Helen McCarthy (p. 461) has an image of it with:
::"Cunningly wearing a mask so that his true identity is never revealed, an unidentified foreign rodent threatens an innocent rag doll on a South Pacific beach. The Wartime Anime ''Black Cat Banzai'' was made in 1934, after the annexation of Manchuria, but only released in 1936. It was one of several anime that depicted the foreign threat to islanders who seek Japanese 'help'-- a reference to Japan's mandate over the Inner South Pacific region, which was revoked by the League of Nations in 1935."
:and page 438:
::"In Takao Nakano's ''Black Cat Banzai'' (1933, ''Kuroneko Banzai''), a peaceful parade of toys is disrupted by a fleet of flying bat-bombers, each ridden by a clone of Mickey Mouse..."
:See also:
:Kuroneko Banzai
:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438290/]
:and:
:http://mag.awn.com/index.php?int_check=yes&ltype=search&sval=Anime&article_no=1076&page=2]
::"The most striking is the last image, taken from wartime anime Black Cat Banzai; it shows an evil and decidedly unauthorised Mickey Mouse."
:Not sure whether it's worth putting into this article... interesting though. -- [[User:Rizzleboffin|Rizzleboffin]] 18:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

== Super mario more ICONIC then Mickey mouse? ==
I heard somewhere that the Mario charecter was more iconic then Mckey mouse, this true?<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.189.99.161|67.189.99.161]] ([[User talk:67.189.99.161|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

:Please use article Talk pages for discussing improvements to the article. [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 01:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Look buddy the guy has a question, and while I know talk pages aren't for this stuff, at least answer him. now then Mario was ,at one point, more recognizable than mickey. This was at the hight of Nintendo's Popularity of the NES era dont have a username

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== DVD release of MM's short films? ==

Is there some list that shows the DVD releases of all of Mickey Mouse's short films since 1928? [[User:Siyavash|Siyavash]] 14:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's called Vintage Mickey [[User:Ryan Holloway|Ryan Holloway]] 15:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


=="Firsts"==
Some entries in the list of "firsts" provide little or no context to motivate them. Why do we care when Mickey's "first encounter with ghosts" or "first adventure at sea" was? These things seem like so much trivia. Are these somehow signature elements of Mickey Mouse in some way that just wasn't made clear? [[User:66.30.205.65|66.30.205.65]] 21:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

:I agree with everything you say. There is no need to making these trivial "firsts" into major portions of this article. If someone wants to make them into separate articles about each Mickey Mouse short, fine. But they don't belong in the main article on MM. You should have seen how those sections used to be, before I edited out the complete names and birth-death years of composers whose themes were used as a music cue in a particular MM cartoon. Some people lack all sense of proportion. — [[User:Walloon|Walloon]] 02:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

:I'm removing them --[[User:Froth|froth]]<sup>'''[[User_talk:Froth|<small>T</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Froth|<small>C</small>]]'''</sup> 23:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== was walt disney the original creator of mickey mouse! ==

personaly i think so and it breaks my heart to hear people say that its not true because i have always had a fantacy of me and walt being together and mickey mouse instructing our every move becuase he is fully dedicATED to his creator!

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On the Hallmark documentaries it says that Walt came up with the character on a train (as is mentioned below, as I think the film is now shown at MGM studios); but on a channel 4 documentary (The Secrety Life Of Walt Disney) I also heard that he (several years down the line) knew he was going to be asked to draw and sign the mouse, so Walt asked someone else for a crashcourse in drawing Mickey

[[User:TimothyJacobson|TimothyJacobson]] 21:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==Michael?==
He is mentioned in the header as Michael Mouse, with "Mickey" given in quotes as a nickname. What is the basis for this? Mickey usually being a nickname for Michael aside, I know of no reference to this in the cartoons. Either the origin of this supposed true name should be mentioned somewhere in the article, or it the opening paragraph should simply read "Mickey Mouse".[[User:131.194.200.148|131.194.200.148]] 09:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
*I agree that there is no basis for Mickey's 'Michael' designation. I have a great interest in Walt Disney and the early history of the Disney Company, and my literature all seems to indicate that he was Mickey directly after his conception as Mortimer. I cannot find any prominent source listing his name as Michael. Also, the edition of this article that names him 'Michael' appears to have originated rather late in the article's history. The same editor also originally edited his name to read 'Mickael' before re-editing his change to read 'Michael' (''refer to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mickey_Mouse&oldid=69167883|06:50, 12 August 2006] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mickey_Mouse&oldid=69167924|06:50, 12 August 2006] both by anonymous user [[Special:Contributions/60.224.67.247|60.224.67.247]]''). In light of this, I am removing that content as patent nonsense. [[User:OBriain|OBriain]] 04:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

==Origin...?==
On a trip to Disneyworld we went to a pavilion about Mickey Mouse, and it explicitly told the story of the invention of Mickey Mouse: a train ride with his wife, drawing a mouse (just before he learned that he'd lost the rights to the lucky rabbit or something like that) and calling it Mortimer. His wife said that it was too pompous and said that he should call him Mickey. I didn't hear anything about the name "Moty." Can someone back me up on this, or is my memory fuzzier than I thought? [[User:BlueStarz|BlueStarz]] 06:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The only reference to "Moty" with regard to Mickey Mouse that I have ever seen is on Mickey's Wikipedia article page! Lillian Disney confirmed to me, back in the early 1990's, that the naming on the train story was "pretty much" true. The Mickey Rooney version of events seems very unoffical indeed, for example it is not mentioned under Mickey Rooney's entry in "The Disney A to Z - The Official Updated Encycolpedia" by Dave Smith, which is published by Disney's own publishing house, Hyperion. [[User: ukchris]] 06:05, 6 November 2006 (GMT)

"'Mortimer' had been Walt Disney's original name for Mickey before his wife Lillian convinced him to change it" - this statement appears in [[Mortimer Mouse]] - assuming it's true, isn't it worthy of mention in this article? [[User:Gr8white|Gr8white]] 06:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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I remember a couple of cartoon characters called Morty and Ferdy appearing in Mickey Mouse annuals in my childhood; I think they were Mickey's brother's children, and I always assumed that Morty was a nod to Mickey's own original name
[[User:TimothyJacobson|TimothyJacobson]] 21:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==Evolution of Mickey Mouse, missing images==

The article is supposed to show 4 images on the evolution of Mickey Mouse but none of the images seem to display. -[[User:Philwiki|Philwiki]] 01:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

== Help ==

I would like you guys to persuade the people doing donalds page to put up a KH's section to keep The two and goofy uniform. They keep reverting any efforts. PLEASE! [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400: The Sage of Time]] 17:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

== Kingdom Hearts Proportion ==

Anyone else find it odd that the Kingdom Hearts section is so large? It seems a bit out of wack with the rest of the article, especially when you compared it to the amount depth that is taken in his other appearances. Most appearances give you the name and the date released and that’s about it. It doesn't bother me too much, it is easy to skip over if you don't care and is easy to find and read about if you do. I just find it weird.

== error in article ==

The article currently says: "When Disney asked oprah winphrey for a larger budget for his popular Oswald series, Mintz announced he had hired the bulk of Disney's staff but that Disney could keep doing the Oswald series as long as he agreed to a budget cut and went on the payroll." I have no idea why it says oprah winfrey but thought I should mention it here. I'd fix it but don't know what it should say instead, I'm assuming Mintz?

[[User:Homa24|Homa24]] 20:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Mickey Mouse in politics ==

I've expanded [[Mickey_Mouse#Mickey_Mouse_clone_and_Hamas|Mickey_Mouse_clone_and_Hamas]]. A section on the use of [[Mickey Mouse in politics]], e.g. in WWII allied propaganda, should be added, as they did in [[Donald_Duck#Wartime_Donald|Wartime_Donald]]. Contemporary political (mis)uses like the Hamas issue would fit in there. Goebbels and Hitler were avid Mickey Mouse fans and had the allied embargo broken to enable private screenings for themselves, as officially Disney comics were deemed to be "degenerate". You'd have to research that.

Here's a [http://history1900s.about.com/library/photos/blywwiip195.htm World War II Poster] and extensive info: [http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?no=326817&rel_no=1 Disney and World War II], "How Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck supported the U.S. and its Allies." --[[User:Tickle me|tickle]] [[User_talk:Tickle me|me]] 01:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

== The Complete Maus (Art Speigelman) ==

I was surprised that there is not a reference to the Nazi Paper quoation detalied on page 164 in the Book "Maus" by Art Speigelman.

To paraphrase the quote from the book:-"Mickey Mouse is the most miserable ideal ever revealed..." <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jasey boy|Jasey boy]] ([[User talk:Jasey boy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jasey boy|contribs]]) 15:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Ub Iwerks ==

JDawg32 keeps removing Ub Iwerks from the article, and I am getting sick of restoring it after every time. One since the quote is a book quote, can some one verify that Ub Iwerks is one of the creators. And what can we do? [[User:BeckyAnne|BeckyAnne]][[User talk:BeckyAnne|(talk)]] 13:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Have you taken it to [[Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes|dispute resolution]]? I put Ub back in as creator, since that reference does back that fact up. I left Plane Crazy in as MM's first appearance - I'll leave that up to other editors to decide whether that or Steamboat Willy was his first appearance. It does seem clear that Disney considers SW to be MM's first official appearance. [[User:Derumi|Derumi]] 20:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::No s/he just started a few days ago. [[User:BeckyAnne|BeckyAnne]][[User talk:BeckyAnne|(talk)]] 21:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
If I may point out the fact that '''Walt Disney''' created, and did the very first drawing of, Mickey Mouse on a train a little while after all of the Oswald stuff went down. Ub Iwerks was the artist who first drew Mickey for publication (because Walt was never a very gifted artist).
So, Ub Iwerks is not '''the''' creator, but, since he first drew the Mouse for '''publication,''' it could be said that he had a hand in his creation, or was one of the creators.
But not THE creator. [[User:Xerotheory142|Xerotheory142]] 19:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

== drawn together appearence ==

mickey appeared on drawn together howcome that is not on the list of cartoons

:Because it was a parody; it wasn't the "real" Mickey. [[User:FiggyBee|FiggyBee]] 08:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== [[Farfour]] is now dead ==

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1183053066461

Hamas TV on Friday broadcast what it said was the last episode of a weekly children's show featuring "Farfour," a Mickey Mouse look-alike who had made worldwide headlines for preaching Islamic domination and armed struggle to youngsters.

In the final skit, Farfour was beaten to death by an actor posing as an Israeli official trying to buy Farfour's land. At one point, Farfour called the Israeli a "terrorist."

== Mickey Mouse Operation ==

Redirects from Micket Mouse Operation, does not explain the expression.


==Farfur Query==
I know much of the Disney family has been in uproar over the now-deceased Farfur character, but does anyone know if there had been any criticism of the character's usage by [[The Walt Disney Company]] (considering how protective they are about Mickey's image)? [[User:WAVY 10|WAVY 10]] 15:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Image Clutter==
Can we get some consensus on what images are representative and necessary, and where they should go?
As of right now, this article has 19 images, up from the 11 images that were on the article just last week. One subsection has at least 3 images, and some of the images disrupt the flow of the article by spilling into other sections. For example, the Steamboat Willy image in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mickey_Mouse&oldid=148964809 this version] occurs far below the section it was placed in (First Appearance of Black Pete), and I am operating on a 1440-wide screen.

I've removed the unsourced "Mickey" fresco as irrelevant and have moved the headshot to the top to take up some of the available whitespace. --<font color="#3333FF">健次</font>([[User:Derumi|derumi]])<sup>[[User_talk:Derumi|talk]]</sup> 17:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

== Ship Anecdote ==

I've read of this story before. Dr. Toon's column in _Animation World Magazine_ for 9/29/07 (He's also commenting about Farfour):

<blockquote>"There is a story dating back to the 1960s that tells of how a U.S. hospital ship had to solve the problem of getting children to come to the shore for health services. One doctor came up with the idea of painting a picture of Mickey Mouse on the side of the ship. Despite having no previous exposure to the Mouse, the kids were immediately attracted to the painting of a smiling Mickey, and hit the beach in swarms."</blockquote>

Is this pertinent to Wikipedia article? [[User:71.206.221.118|71.206.221.118]] 21:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

==Creation: Disney ripped off the Performo-Toy Company?==
[http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/17/micky-mouse-vs-micke.html Interesting blog] from [[BoingBoing]] pointing to an eBay auction which provides claims that Disney ripped off the design for MM from the Performo-Toy Company, and then contrived to steal their intellectual property rights. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 22:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


==Evil mouse in Betty Boop==
A mouse looking exactly like Mickey (except it has no pants) pops up in Fleischer's Betty Boop cartoons, "Jack and the Beanstalk" from 1931 and "Bimbo's initiation" the same year. This mouse is evil: in the first film it attempts more or less to rape a tied-up Betty, in the second, it locks Bimbo in the underworld. Is this a slur on a competing studio? Were there any legal consequences?
[[User:Sponsianus|Sponsianus]] 21:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


==Responses to above debates==

I'm currently reading "Building A Company: Roy O Disney and The Creation of An Entertainment Empire" by Bob Thomas. Although I fear the book may be somewhat biased toward the company, it does answer some of the issues discussed above

* It which claims Steamboat Willie was the first cartoon ever to use sound
* It tells quite few anecdotes relating to copyright, with regards to both selling toys in the likeness of the Mouse, or the early attempts to create cartoons with similar looking mice. In many cases, Walt threatened litigation, and settlements were made in his favour
* Ironically, in one of the above cases, there was a deal made authorising a large company to be the only official merchandiser in Germany, then (less than a year later) all Mickey references in Germany were badmouthed by Hitler
[[User:TimothyJacobson|TimothyJacobson]] 20:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Response to Flurry of Vandalism ==

I've noticed the page is being [[WP:Vandalism|vandalized]] several times daily by many ill-meaning IPs, and I've reverted quite a bit of such on the page itself over the last few days. Is there any chance that this page could be locked so that only established users can edit it? No one '''has''' to do so, I'm just making a suggestion and trying to help. — [[User:Cinemaniac|Cinemaniac]] ([[User talk:Cinemaniac|talk]]) 01:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

== Disney magical quest, optional ==

I been wondering about an old game long ago related to the disney magical quest series. There was once a section where you can play 2 players as mickey and minney mouse both working together while they go through something as such with a different series of costumes. First costume was a vacuum attire for sucking in enemies or blowing them out. A second was a cowboy attire for riding along and shooting long range, and a third one was possibly a climbers outfit for hiking. I can't seem to find such information on the related links to mickey mouse. Can someone help? [[User:Mialover730|Mialover730]] ([[User talk:Mialover730|talk]]) 12:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Strange, uncredited Mickey "facts" ==

I've researched Mickey and Disney for years, having worked for several licensees and even contributed to some published books. But I'm dubious about some uncredited "facts" that appear on the page presently:

• That "Mickey was created as a replacement for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, an earlier cartoon character created by the Disney studio for Christian Mitchell of Universal Studios." Where does the name Christian Mitchell come from? I don't find it in Merritt and Kaufman's WALT IN WONDERLAND or the recent Oswald Rabbit DVD. Or maybe I overlooked it somehow?

• "Walt Disney got the inspiration for Mickey Mouse when he saw a dead mouse on the traintracks." What? It's often accepted that Walt came up with Mickey on a train trip, but I've never heard of a dead mouse on the tracks.

• Under PLANE CRAZY there is now a discussion of Hugh Harman and Rudy Ising still working with Disney at the time the cartoon was made, and perhaps (it's unclear) into 1929. Harman and Ising were working with Disney at the time PLANE CRAZY was made, but they did not work on PLANE CRAZY; rather, they worked on the remaining Oswald shorts. According to several sources, the only Oswald staffer who both worked on PLANE CRAZY and left to go to Mintz was Ben Clopton. So why are we mentioning Hugh and Rudy here?

Finally, I'm highly dubious that an incredibly detailed, highly emotional and "fannish" recounting of the Disney on Ice "The Incredibles" performance really belongs here. By the same token we could include descriptions of almost every Disney on Ice or Disney theme park show, as Mickey and Minnie costumed characters play major parts in huge numbers of them. [[User:Ramapith|Ramapith]] ([[User talk:Ramapith|talk]]) 01:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:Speaking as Railroad Conductor, I can say in my whole Railroad career I have never seen a dead mouse on the tracks, and I can also say that from a passenger car it would be harder to see one. [[User:BeckyAnne|BeckyAnne]][[User talk:BeckyAnne|(talk)]] 01:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


== A Mickey Mouse "precursor"? ==

I'd like to propose to add the following interesting curiosity
to Mickey Mouse article:

The logo of the old [[Naples|Neapolitan]] liquor and syrup
factory ''[http://www.islalasorgente.it/ La Sorgente]'',
designed in 1920, is surprisingly similar to the first
version of Mickey Mouse, though it was designed eariler
than Disney's character. [[User:Guarracino|Guarracino]] ([[User talk:Guarracino|talk]]) 11:55, 24 Jan 2008 (CET)

:If you've got a reference for it, then definitely go ahead. It really needs an external website that can very that this claim is correct. <span style="color:#00398d;font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;">&mdash; [[User:Alex.muller|alex.muller]] <small>([[User talk:Alex.muller|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alex.muller|edits]])</small></span> 11:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

What about the following discussion (in Italian, sorry...) [http://www.papersera.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1194703396/12]? It does report the fact, but adds no "official" document. It reports that there was also a legal dispute long ago whose sentence was that the two characters were independently designed in a "converging" way. ([[User talk:Guarracino|talk]]) 14:44, 24 Jan 2008 (CET)

:By the way, I registered, but still have no permission to edit this page ([[User talk:Guarracino|talk]]) 15:53, 24 Jan 2008 (CET)

::The page is semi-protected, so your account has to be 4 days old to edit (I think). I'll have a look at that link later and reply here. Thanks <span style="color:#00398d;font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;">&mdash; [[User:Alex.muller|alex.muller]] <small>([[User talk:Alex.muller|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alex.muller|edits]])</small></span> 14:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

::Hmmm, something more than that discussion is needed, I'm afraid. Keep having a look (as will I) and we'll see if there's anything out there. <span style="color:#00398d;font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;">&mdash; [[User:Alex.muller|alex.muller]] <small>([[User talk:Alex.muller|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alex.muller|edits]])</small></span> 22:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

:::The same user, Guarracino, added that paragraph on it.wiki (italian article is not semi-protected). An administrator removed it, and Guarracino (or his sockpuppet) added it again. Please, cite a ''reliable source'': in that forum page, people talk about a lawsuit, but they don't even remember ''when'' it happened. If you google for words like "lawsuit", "la sorgente", "disney", etc, you don't find anything related. Maybe the company was ''created'' in 1920, but it started ''later'' to use Mickey as a logo, ''maybe'' with Disney's permission, who knows? Again: we need a ''reliable'' source. Please, Guarracino, do talk about it in the italian talk page, as Marcok (italian admin) and I advised you... --[[User:KingFanel|KingFanel]] ([[User talk:KingFanel|talk]]) 15:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

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