Talk:Mocadorada

As noticed in Talk:Dia de la Comunitat Valenciana, the name of the tradition, as stated in the Normative dictionary, the name is Mocadorada, even if other forms may exist and be in use. It is published by the Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua, which is the only official body when it comes to the normative of the Valencian language in the Land of Valencia.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 11:11, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@TaronjaSatsuma: The "normative dictionary" can't prevail over the official/historical name given by the Generalitat Valenciana, the own Generalitat calls it mocadorà just as mocadorà or mocaorà have double or triple Google search results than "mocadorada" which is nothing but a name often referred to by catalans, not by Valencians, and it's a Valencian festivity mostly celebrated in or around the city of Valencia. Full stop. Also I don't understand why you keep saying Land of Valencia. What's that exactly? Valencia has many lands, in fact it has Comarques of the Valencian Community to split up these lands, forming the Valencian Community, an autonomous community of Spain. As per WP:GUIDELINES we should use only official names in Wikipedia. Anyways, back on topic:

• Generalitat Valenciana (in Valencian) official website about the name: https://www.gva.es/va/inicio/area_de_prensa/not_detalle_area_prensa?id=894071
• Comunitat Valenciana (in Valencian) official website about the name: https://www.comunitatvalenciana.com/va/inspirat/la-mocadora-de-la-comunitat-valenciana-per-sant-dionis

On a side note, even the Catalan newspaper La Vanguardia calls it Mocadorà nowadays as it's the official name. Mocadorada is a stale, old term that's not officially used in Valencia. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

You have linked two press releases. What's the problem with the official dictionary of the Valencian Language, and why those press releases are more important than it?--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@TaronjaSatsuma: Hola Taronja, sorry for not replying earlier, but since you didn't use the "replyto" tag I didn't receive any notification. Well, I think that a dictionary can't perfectly state the name of a festivity (they can with words, but festivities/celebrations? they can be different from town to town) but the official Generalitat sources are more reliable regarding this aspect, don't you think so? After all, it's a Valencian festivity. Actually what I shown above are official Generalitat Valenciana sources regarding this name.

Also on official Valencia city hall press releases we can see references to Mocadorà and even Mocaorà. "Mocadorada" is not widely used in the Valencian Community. At least not by most official organizations. --TechnicianGB (talk) 18:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@TechnicianGB: It's the same response you wrote a month prior. Of course alternative writtings exist, but if the official dictionary of the given language says Mocadorada is the main entry, then we should follow that criteria. Because that was the original name. My question is why did you change the name/defend the alternative spelling, recognized as secondary by the Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua|Institution whose primary function is to determine and set the official standards for the Valencian language. I insist: I'm not denying the existence of alternative writtings, which and be added in the header of the article. My question is why should we use a different critera as the main dictionary of the Valencian language.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 09:13, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@TaronjaSatsuma: Look, let's do something commonly used when moving pages in Wikipedia. Let's try to find the most popular name. When you search "Mocadorà" Google shows "Approximately 21.500 results" but when you say "Mocadorada" Google shows "Approximately 4.620 results" so it has almost 5 times less results. Also "Mocadorada" is not used by any official source and it's not widely nor popular used unlike Mocadorà is. Btw look at my last edit. --TechnicianGB (talk) 23:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I have 14.800 results for "Mocadorà" and 29.900 for "Mocadorada". And yet you haven't said what's the problem with the normative dictionary, which is a criteria which can be checked by everyone and quick to check.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 14:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

And when it comes to the last changes, it is misleading: its normative writting is "Mocadorada", being "mocadorà" (and mocaorà and others) just alternative forms.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC)