Talk:Giro d'Italia records and statistics

Remove colors?

Currently, the cyclists who have won the giro d'italia are indicated in the big table with a pink background, the active cyclists with a blue background and cyclists who belong in both categories with an ugly green background. When the yellow jersey statistics article was once tested for featured list, the reviewer said that the colours were not according to the manual of style, especially not the yellow colour. The other colours were chosen from standard MoS-compatible colours, but the yellow colour (and in this article the pink colour) was kept because it was also used in other articles to indicate the winner. Now that the proposed guideline probably removes the background colour by using a jersey icon, it is time to improve this article as well. I propose that we remove the shading for previous Giro's winners. (Also for Tour and Vuelta in their articles, but I chose to have the discussion here because this one is active at the time.) That information is already found in the table, so the colour does not add much to the table. I would prefer to keep the colouring for active cyclists; that information is not found in the table, so it adds something. This is also sometimes seen in other lists, so I think it is allowed. But if somebody has a great idea to show that information in another way, the colouring for active cyclists could also be removed. Although I don't mind to do the dirty work, it still is a lot of work. That's why I discuss it here first before doing it: if my actions were reverted because somebody disagreed, I would not be happy... --EdgeNavidad (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

We can easily use the pink jersey icon to indicate Giro winners, and bold and/or italic text to indicate active cyclists. Seems pretty simple to me. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 01:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Merckx total

I think the total days in Pink for Eddy Merckx might be 78, I haven't been able to find a source saying 77 days in pink, but I have found a few saying 78: here and here and here here and here Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 16:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Number of stages

The article currently states: Since the first Giro d'Italia in 1909, there have been 1,983 stages, up to and including stage 21 of the 2022 Giro. No source is given for this statistics. This number is clearly wrong (see below), but it is not obvious what the right count should be. For reference, Wikidata counts 2053 different states up to 2022 (link to query), a discrepancy of 70.

The initial version of this page, back in 2008, gave the number as 1700. Since then, it has been updated on a yearly basis, with occasional errors. There have been 14 Giros since 2008 with 21 stages each, and 14×21=294, making for a discrepancy of 11. Indeed, digging in the page history one can see that people forgot to add the last stage in 2013, and that a simple arithmetic error led to the omission of 10 further stages in 2017. So the number currently cited in the article is clearly wrong, but this does not explain the entire above-mentioned discrepancy.

Again, no source was given for the original number, but based on the "External Links" section, it was probably this list. Said list contains a list of 1758 stages until 2008 (not just 1700). Certain stages have multiple entries, so the original page creator presumably eliminated the duplicates. This would have led (intentionally or accidentally) to the exclusion of 50 half-stages, 7 stages that were abandoned or cancelled, and 1 stage due to a typo in the source (1989/22 is accidentally given as 1989/21 again). An eighth abandoned stage, Pescara to Rome in 1912, is absent from the source. Together, this explains the discrepancy of 70.

Where does one go from here?

• Give up on stating a precise number? (seeing as most sources are likely to contain errors, or are not going to be updated after every year)
• Correct and explain the number? If so, in what form?
  • "Since 1909, there have been 2,053 stages, including half-stages, prologues, and cancelled stages."
  • "Since 1909, there have been 2,003 scheduled race days, 50 of which were split into two half-stages each. Eight stages were either cancelled mid-race or immediately before the start."

Note that the number of 50 split stages is not guaranteed to be precise, since sources differ on the precise numbering of certain Giro stages. -- Rz98 (talk) 21:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Since no one else offered a view during the latest Giro, I corrected the statistics and implemented the aforementioned suggestions. -- Rz98 (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)