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==Different from the Bryant Park Project?==
Anyone who's ever heard the BPP knows that it and the Takeaway are using pretty similar formats.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/205.153.36.171|205.153.36.171]] ([[User talk:205.153.36.171|talk]]) 21:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===== I found this story on the PRPD blog: =====
''Creating New Public Radio Show Not Easy''
[http://prpd-news.blogspot.com/2008/07/creating-new-public-radio-show-not-easy.html]
Posted 15th July 2008 by Hollis

As the Bryant Park Project's blog loads up with farewell comments from listeners who will miss the show when it ends July 25, one person who is no stranger to new program launches weighs in. Jeff Horwich, host of Minnesota Public Radio's In The Loop, talks about the difficulty in attracting younger listeners. On the show's blog, Horwich says:
"Launching new public radio shows is a harsh business. All while In The Loop has been creeping along our under-radar path, two high-profile efforts to nab younger listeners have now been conceived, lived and died. (The other was Fair Game, a show from WNYC and PRI, which went off the air May 30). Another, called The Takeaway, also produced by WNYC and PRI, has just launched and is presumably wobbling along its own uncertain trajectory."
[[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis|talk]]) 04:59, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

==Last paragraph==
I deleted the last paragraph in the article, describing angry listener response to the show. While such response is certainly worth noting in the article, the whole thing was unsourced (it suggested readers click on "The Mix" link below, and while that link does show some negative feedback, it's hardly enough by itself to support the notion that the show is sending listeners into widespread revolt and outrage), and a lot of it was pretty clearly POV (complaints about comments being "unfairly" removed from the show's website). [[User:Jcb9|Jcb9]] ([[User talk:Jcb9|talk]]) 14:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:I think you made the right decision. However, there has been considerable negative feedback to the show. I attended WNYC's Community Advisory Board meeting on May 14th and discussion quickly spiraled into expressions of outrage & disgust toward the program, whether deserved or not. My thoughts on inclusion of public reaction are as follows. On the one hand, we include critical reception information on films & TV series and given the show's short life thus far, such reception feels relevant. On the other hand, such negative reaction also feels a little too temporal in nature and we don't track the ebb & flow of radio shows' popularity over time in any article I have seen. [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not]] a place for [[WP:NOT#JOURNALISM|journalism]] or [[WP:NOT#NEWS|news reports]]. If the minutes of the May 14th CAB meeting are posted ( http://wnyc.org/about/cab ) and reflect the public criticism, I think that would be sufficiently specific & significant for inclusion. Arbitrary posts expressing dissatisfaction don't seem to measure up. - [[User:CheshireKatz|CheshireKatz]] ([[User talk:CheshireKatz|talk]]) 16:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==One Year Old==
It seems like parts of the article need a re-write to reflect the fact that the show is approaching its first anniversary.  I am hesitant to do it myself because my prior edits make it clear that I am no fan of the program.  I suppose if nobody else does it I can try to approach the problem myself.  From my point of view the line about "initial negative response" is getting rather stale, when there are some 800 overwhelmingly negative comments in "The Mix" and no apparent trend to a mellowing of attitude toward the show.
[[User:Affenbart|Affenbart]] ([[User talk:Affenbart|talk]]) 04:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Comments to an article generally do not meet the [[WP:RS]](Reliable Sources) standard and if that is the basis for a citation then it should be removed.  In the blogosphere the echochamber is easily created and thus not reliable.  If you want to criticize the show, then comments should come from published media critics.  I tried to find such comments yea or nay and couldn't find them.  My preference as the show enters it second year is that the year old criticisms including a year-old minutes reference be deleted. The show will sink or swim on its own. [[User:Americasroof|Americasroof]] ([[User talk:Americasroof|talk]]) 14:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
It is interesting that the minutes to the CAB meeting were suppressed for nearly a year.  I wondered if someone would bring that up.  The minutes were not available until recently.  And it is true that there are many people with a stake in the show's success who want information like that to be suppressed.  I worry that we have tension here between people with some financial or personal connection to the show who are editing this article with the intent of concealing negative responses versus listeners to the show.  Considering that the show is supported by such wide ranging institutions as the BBC, the New York Times, WNYC, and WGBH it may be a little hard to get critical articles published.  I like the article the way it is, it is reasonably balanced now with both positives and negatives.  I don't think deleting all the negatives and leaving essentially a press release from WNYC for the program intact would help.  [[User:Affenbart|Affenbart]] ([[User talk:Affenbart|talk]]) 19:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

==Campbellgirl==
Campbellgirl's deletion amounts to vandalism IMO.  Should NPOV editing only be done by "fans of the show"?  Linking to Community Advisory Board minutes was mentioned above as legitimate, and in fact a show that is supposed to be "national" ought to have stations in Philadelphia, Chicago, and L.A.  Something is stopping those stations from adopting this show and that is factual.  Please look at Campbellgirl's "Talk" file.
[[User:Affenbart|Affenbart]] ([[User talk:Affenbart|talk]]) 02:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Once again Campbellgirl has reversed my edits.  I think she is doing POV editing because she is a PRI employee.  I left a message on her talk page and I have been discussing the situation with administrators here.  
[[User:Affenbart|Affenbart]] ([[User talk:Affenbart|talk]]) 17:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with Campbellgirl's edits.  First off there is no proof Campbell girl is a pri employee.  Secondly old comments to an article do not constitute reliable sources.  Thirdly, her edits clearly identify the lack of stations picking it up (e.g., 35).  The old sentence did not quantify or reference the lack of cities picking it up. Her reference shows that it is indeed in the Chicago market.  The verdict of whether I like the show is still out.  I've been waking up to public radio practically since the very start in the 1970s.  In NYC they made a strange choice of dumping Morning Marketplace to replace it with this show.  An amazing choice for the home of Wall Street!!!   When it first came on it was very jarring to me.  But I'm giving it a shot and some of it is o.k.  In any event the article should dispassionate.  As mentioned before if you want to criticize find a a published reliable source to do it and not refer to comments to an article. [[User:Americasroof|Americasroof]] ([[User talk:Americasroof|talk]]) 01:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::BTW after posting this I see on the WYNC schedule that morning marketplace is on at 5:50 AM (instead of its previous 6:50 slot now occupied by the Takeaway.  [[User:Americasroof|Americasroof]] ([[User talk:Americasroof|talk]]) 01:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Americasroof, I appreciate the feedback even though we do not agree.  You think it is her hobby to post PRI press releases on Wikipedia and suppress all negative references to PRI?  Interesting hobby.  I have not pushed the "undo" button this time and I don't intend to.  But I don't like what she is doing and I think more of the story needs to be in this article.  FWIW Farai Chideya is doing good things for the show recently IMO.
[[User:Affenbart|Affenbart]] ([[User talk:Affenbart|talk]]) 21:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

==Redesign==
The website is completely different now, none of the old links work (to "The Mix" etc.).   And they are advertising the show a lot.  The one piece of good news is that the show is disappearing entirely from WNYC-FM.  What I hated most about it was that it was stuffed in my face each morning.  Now it's on AM and I never go there.  I am not up for the editing this page needs in consequence of the changes.
[[User:Affenbart|Affenbart]] ([[User talk:Affenbart|talk]]) 04:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Various references on the history of The Takeaway ==

===== ''Startup Radio Show, The Takeaway, Recreated the Morning Edition'' =====
[https://www.fastcompany.com/899235/startup-radio-show-takeaway-recreated-morning-edition]
BY LINDA TISCHLER
07.01.08
The race to build the next-gen radio show is on. The Takeaway taps Silicon Valley — style tactics in its battle against Morning Edition.

"To equip the show for this fight, Takeaway producers sought a secret weapon 3,000 miles away: Stanford University’s d.school. “Design thinking can be applied to all nature of challenges,” says George Kembel, the d.school’s director. Kembel saw the opportunity to test his methods on something new–a media product–and the producers got tools that could help them come up with fresh ideas."

===== ''What’s wrong with WNYC?'' =====
[https://current.org/2008/07/whats-wrong-with-wnyc/]
July 23, 2008
When [Village Voice columnist Nat Hentoff] called WNYC’s public relations folks, says Hentoff, he “got a whiff of WNYC’s yearning for younger demographics—just like the commercial stations. That’s the reason for The Takeaway, the new alternative to National Public Radio’s invaluable Morning Edition...

===== ''Udoji Takes Leave of Takeaway'' =====
[http://prpd-news.blogspot.com/2009/04/udoji-takes-leave-of-takeaway.html]
Posted 29th April 2009 by Hollis
Adaora Udoji is leaving The Takeaway to spend more time with her family. She and her husband recently adopted a child.

WNYC President and CEO Laura Walker and PRI President and CEO Alisa Miller said that while a search is underway for a replacement, John Hockenberry will be joined on-air by a selection of temporary co-hosts, including Farai Chideya.

Udoji and Hockenberry were the original hosts of The Takeaway, which originates at WNYC.

===== ''CPB Givesaway Money to The Takeaway'' =====
[http://prpd-news.blogspot.com/2009/06/cpb-givesaway-money-to-takeaway.html]
Posted 22nd June 2009 by Hollis
The Takeaway -- the morning news program created by Public Radio International, WNYC, WGBH, the BBC World Service and the New York Times -- has received CPB funding for a second season. This second grant from CPB is for $1.35 million.

The Takeaway, hosted by John Hockenberry, also receives support from Liberty Mutual and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, with additional support from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the Skoll Foundation, the Henry Luce Foundation, the Freeman Foundation and the Starr Foundation.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nymatis|contribs]]) 05:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===== ''Effron Joins The Takeaway at Executive Producer'' =====
[http://prpd-news.blogspot.com/2009/06/effron-joins-takeaway-at-executive.html]
Posted 24th June 2009 by Hollis
A former major player in the MSNBC cable television operation has been named executive producer of The Takeaway, the morning drive-time show produced by Public Radio International and WNYC Radio, along with The BBC World Service, The New York Times, and WGBH Boston Radio.

Mark Effron, who spent four years as vice president of daytime programming at MSNBC, will join the program hosted by John Hockenberry.

Said Dean Cappello, chief creative officer and senior vice president of programming at WNYC"

"The world of journalism and media is changing so rapidly that public radio needs the experience and competitive savvy that Mark clearly brings. He's a great leader at a time of tremendous opportunity for The Takeaway and public media."

"Mark's extensive news experience at both the station and network level, along with his experience in new media, make him an ideal fit for this position," said Melinda Ward, Senior Vice President, Content at PRI.

Most recently, Effron helped develop and run Titan TV Media, a digital network that helps local affiliates to create fully-monetizable web properties. Effron is also a prolific writer on industry trends, with particular focus on those that involve the crossroads of new media and traditional media.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nymatis|contribs]]) 05:25, 5 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===== Journalism in the raw distinguishes ‘The Takeaway’ =====
[https://current.org/2009/09/journalism-in-the-raw-distinguishes-the-takeaway/]
September 8, 2009
By Karen Everhart

There’s a reconstruction project under way at The Takeaway, launched in April 2008 as a live, spontaneous and different way to do drivetime news — different from Morning Edition, the most dominant show in public radio and one of the most polished.

This summer, as a succession of prospective co-hosts have tried out the seat across from whip-smart network news veteran John Hockenberry, producers have been tightening the live broadcast, experimenting with the mix of stories and headlines, trying to be more consistent as they build the show into a fast-paced, well-informed and opinionated conversation...

Carried by 40 public radio stations on their primary broadcast channels, The Takeaway has a long way to go before it fulfills the producers’ ambition to become a truly national conversation about the morning’s news...
Of The Takeaway, Josephson says: “I think it’s a great show—they just have to find the right co-host for John.”

The co-host search, initiated after Adaora Udoji left in May to spend more time with her new daughter, allowed producers to bring in guest hosts and other contributors such as Katherine Lanpher, the Minnesota Public Radio host who co-hosted Air America’s Al Franken Show; Farai Chideya, host of NPR’s News and Notes until its cancellation in March; and Celeste Headlee, a Detroit-based pubradio freelancer. British television journalist Femi Oke, a Takeaway senior editor who had been the show’s primary newscaster, has also co-hosted. The hiring decision was pending at Current’s deadline.

Though the talent search has extended The Takeaway’s status as a work in progress, 16 months after launch, its producers take pride in the foundation they have laid and the new voices they are bringing to public radio’s air...

WNYC and WCLK in Atlanta, which have carried The Takeaway since its launch, are gaining listeners with the show, said PRI’s Mike Arnold.

In the month before The Takeaway debuted, March 2008, WNYC-FM was garnering a .9 percent average share in the 6 a.m. hour. A year later, its average share had more than doubled to 2.2. By June, the share was up to 2.8. All numbers came from Arbitron’s new Personal People Meters...

A lot is riding on the success or failure of The Takeaway in this regard. It was explicitly designed and funded to help address public radio’s longstanding problems in engaging ethnically diverse audiences. A top priority in Grow the Audience, the Station Resource Group’s recent analysis of audience strategies for public radio, recommends that pubradio extend its service to people of color, who are underrepresented in its core listenership, including some who may have decided public radio is not for them...  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nymatis|contribs]]) 06:39, 5 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


===== ''WNYC and Public Radio International Announce New Co-Host for The Takeaway'' =====
[http://www.wnyc.org/press/wnyc-and-public-radio-international-announce-new-co-host-for-the-takeaway/]
(Cleveland, OH—September 16, 2009)
CELESTE HEADLEE to Join JOHN HOCKENBERRY on Morning Drive Radio News Program Beginning Monday, September 21

The program launched in April 2008 on seven public radio stations and now airs on 49 nationwide, and is available on XM and Sirius Satellite Radio and at www.thetakeaway.org as well.
Headlee's first day on the air in her new role will be Monday, September 21, following several stints as guest co-host this past summer.

Headlee brings to the role experience both on and off the air in local and national public radio productions. Most recently, she was the Midwest Correspondent for NPR's Day to Day, covering everything from the auto industry to art, the presidential election to toilet smuggling. From 2001-2006, Headlee was a reporter at public radio station WDET Detroit. Previously, she was the local Morning Edition anchor at public radio station KNAU in Flagstaff, Arizona. Her news reports have aired on NPR, the Pacifica Network, National Native News and Public Radio International. She has also reported for the Detroit News. Her work has been honored with multiple awards from the Michigan Chapter of the Associated Press, the Michigan Association of Broadcasters, and the Metro Detroit Society of Professional Journalists...

Regular contributors include Todd Zwillich, Washington correspondent for The Takeaway; Louise Story, financial reporter for The New York Times; Ibrahim Abdul-Matin, sports commentator; Lisa Belkin, author of the "Motherlode" blog for The New York Times; Farai Chideya, author and founder of popandpolitics.com; and Patrik Henry Bass, Senior Editor, Essence...

[[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis|talk]]) 07:07, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

===== ''Takeaway'' takes on FM status quo =====
[http://www.denverpost.com/2009/12/21/takeaway-takes-on-fm-status-quo/]
PUBLISHED: December 21, 2009 at 10:55 am | UPDATED: May 6, 2016 at 6:01 pm
By JOANNE OSTROW

... ''The Takeaway,'' a more conversational show that’s been airing in other markets for a year, will launch Jan. 4 from 5 to 8 a.m. weekdays on Denver’s KUVO (89.3 FM). The show will also be heard on 89.7 FM in Breckenridge and 88.5 FM in Vail.

Produced by WNYC/New York and Public Radio International in partnership with the BBC World Service, The New York Times and WGBH/Boston, “The Takeaway” emphasizes diversity of subjects and sources and immediacy in its response to news...

KUVO will carry the last three hours of the four-hour national show live.   <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nymatis|contribs]]) 07:05, 5 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


===== ''Takewaway Trimmed'' =====
[http://prpd-news.blogspot.com/2012/07/takewaway-trimmed.html]
Posted 2nd July 2012 by Hollis
PRPD Blog

"Jennifer Houlihan, spokesperson for co-producer WNYC, told Current that the show's staff was informed of the decision today (June 28). Some positions will be eliminated..."
"... The show launched in 2008, and today 65 stations carry the program."  


===== ''Izzi Smith joins NPR programming, Headlee leaves The Takeaway, Brooks heads project for deaf/blind'' =====
[https://current.org/2012/09/izzy-smith-joins-npr-programming-headlee-leaves-the-takeaway-brooks-heads-project-for-deafblind/]
September 10, 2012
... The Takeaway, the PRI morning show produced at New York’s WNYC, dropped a co-host and promoted its managing editor as it scaled back to a one-hour midday program.

Celeste Headlee, co-host of the morning drive-time broadcast for three years, departed on Aug. 17, leaving John Hockenberry as sole anchor.  A spokeswoman for WNYC said Headlee asked to be released from the hosting job, but Headlee said she didn’t.

Since her departure, Headlee has been serving as a substitute host for NPR’s Tell Me More, producing election specials and covering the Republican and Democratic conventions for the PBS World channel. She’s also made appearances on CNN’s Starting Point with Soledad O’Brien.

Rupert Allman, Takeaway managing editor for two years, stepped up to executive producer. Allman joined the show on loan from the BBC, a co-production partner on the broadcast. At BBC in London and Washington, he launched new programs and ran election coverage for BBC Radio. He is a member of the United Kingdom’s Radio Academy and has won three Gold Awards — for breaking news coverage, sports coverage and interactive programming — at the annual Sony Radio Awards.

Additional partners in the coproduction are WGBH Radio in Boston, which recently purchased PRI, and the New York Times.


===== ''WNYC, Takeaway encourage stations to take it apart'' =====
By Andrew Lapin | September 17, 2013
[https://current.org/2013/09/wnyc-takeaway-encourage-stations-to-take-it-apart/]

Public radio’s The Takeaway has more than doubled its carriage since cancellation of NPR’s Talk of the Nation, and the show’s producers are working to add even more outlets by building news collaborations with station-based reporters and programmers.


[[User:Nymatis|Nymatis]] ([[User talk:Nymatis|talk]]) 04:59, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

== New Logo for The Takeaway (May 2018) ==

As of May 2018, The Takeaway has a new logo.  [https://media.wnyc.org/i/1400/1400/l/85/1/TheTakeway_Square_NoWNYCStudios.png This is the highest resolution iteration of the logo I can find], taken directly from the WNYC website.  However, a [https://www.pri.org/programs/takeaway different version with the colors inverted] appears on the PRI website, and a [https://www.wnycstudios.org/i/1400/1400/l/80/1/ShowMarquee-TheTakeaway4.jpg non-square variant with that color scheme] is also visible on the WNYC website, albeit on the side of the host's microphone.  It's not clear to me which iteration should be featured on the article.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gaardus|Gaardus]] ([[User talk:Gaardus#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gaardus|contribs]]) 02:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== reason for Hockenberry's departure ==

As far as I can see, the article never says that John Hockenberry left the show because of the sexual harassment scandal. This seems like a huge omission.

Ah, I see that it might have been both sexual harassment plus job performance issues:
https://www.wnyc.org/story/harassment-and-bullying-allegations-rock-wnyc-after-departure-celebrated-host/

"At 61, Hockenberry was departing the show for unspecified reasons and with no clear plans for the future. In a statement released at the time, he said, “Ultimately, in every challenging career, there comes a time when it is important to know when to move on” and called The Takeaway “a more personal statement about what I believe radio, and particularly public radio, should be than anything I have ever done.”

For months, however, the executives who decided to let Hockenberry go had been confronted with two uncomfortable facts: a confidential allegation of harassment that had recently been lodged against him and a noticeable decline in his skills as an on-air talent — he sometimes missed interviews, arrived unprepared, and even fell asleep on the job."

In any case, it wasn't just that he decided to leave.
  [[User:WikiAlto|WikiAlto]] ([[User talk:WikiAlto|talk]]) 19:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC) [[User:WikiAlto|WikiAlto]] ([[User talk:WikiAlto|talk]]) 19:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

== Change of year requested ==

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* '''What I think should be changed''': In the section under "Controversies," the year in which LaFontaine Oliver cited a deficit was 2023, not 2022. 
* '''Why it should be changed''': Oliver did not begin working for NYPR until January 2023, so he could not comment before then.
* '''References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)''': <ref>{{cite web |title=New York Public Radio Appoints LaFontaine Oliver as President and CEO |url=https://nypublicradio.org/2022/10/04/new-york-public-radio-appoints-lafontaine-oliver-as-president-and-ceo/ |publisher=NYPR |access-date=16 May 2023}}</ref>

[[User:CSTB20GA|CSTB20GA]] ([[User talk:CSTB20GA|talk]]) 21:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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===Reply 28-JUN-2023===
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<span style="font-size:75%;border:3px solid red;border-radius:60px">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="color:#f00;">&nbsp;<b>Spintendo</b>&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 01:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

== Change number of carrying stations ==

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* '''What I think should be changed''': In the opening paragraph, change the number of carrying stations to 241.
* '''Why it should be changed''': The number currently on the page, 280, is incorrect.
* '''References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)''': <ref>{{cite web |title=The Takeaway |url=https://www.prx.org/stations/shows/the-takeaway |website=PRX.org |publisher=PRX |access-date=16 May 2023}}</ref>

[[User:CSTB20GA|CSTB20GA]] ([[User talk:CSTB20GA|talk]]) 21:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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===Reply 28-JUN-2023===
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<span style="font-size:75%;border:3px solid red;border-radius:60px">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="color:#f00;">&nbsp;<b>Spintendo</b>&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 01:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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