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== Mysterious Editing Problems ==


{{banned}}
Hey, just wanted to drop a note thanking you for helping me out with the mysterious editing problem! Sure wish we coulda gotten it figured out... I appreciate how you also got together the other people to help, too. Have a great day! Blessings, [[User:Filmcom|Filmcom]] ([[User talk:Filmcom|talk]]) 04:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:No worries; I got 'em by going to the right IRC channels, and asking nicely...knowing them helps. CU@IRC soon, I hope? <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:P.S. If you could try it without the Airport some time, I'd be very interested; I suspect it'll work fine, in which case we're looking at a hardware glitch; as that's another department, I can then forget about it without the nagging feeling that I never got to the bottom of it :-) Cheers, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:: Sure thing, I'll try to connect on a different network as soon as I can, and let you know how it goes... Like I said on IRC, our nearest neighbor is 1/2 a mile away; I'll probably have to wait until tomorrow when I go into town to connect to WIFI there. Of course... If it's an Airport card firmware issue (as opposed to Airport Basestation), using a non-Airport network probably won't help (but at least we'd know that it's probably the airport card firmware). [[User:Filmcom|Filmcom]] ([[User talk:Filmcom|talk]]) 15:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, great, looking forward to it. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

::::K, I tried editing from a different network not going through an Airport base-station... [[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User%3AChzz%2Ffilmtest&diff=284485905&oldid=284136098 Here's]] what happened. So I'm thinking that if it's an Airport firmware issue, it's probably with the Airport card, since both the cards in the iMac (on which I first noticed the problem) and the MacBook (the second computer I was testing with, both on IRC and today) would have gotten the firmware update in between my break from editing (I only started having problems editing after that break). I'd be curious to find out if anymore Mac users are having the same problem, and what in the firmware update would be causing the problem, if that is indeed the source of the problem... -- [[User:Filmcom|Filmcom]] ([[User talk:Filmcom|talk]]) 21:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Interesting. I couldn't see much on Google, so I think it's a pretty obscure problem. At least you can edit in confidence with HTTPS. Thanks for keeping me posted, and do let me know if you ever get to the bottom of it. Cheers, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fishing? ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Retiarius has a yellow block saying "Retiarius is within the scope of WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of fisheries, aquaculture and fishing.". <br>

This seems a tad odd, given the topic. It's also got tags for categories "Unassessed Fishing articles | Unknown-importance Fishing articles | WikiProject Fishing articles". <br>

I've not dabbled in Categories; what should we do? Cheers, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09|talk]]) 06:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

[[File:White shark.jpg|thumb||[[WP:DONTBITE]] :-)]]
:Definitely fishy. I imagine that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Retiarius&diff=284569088&oldid=284569029 this] is a 'mistake', given that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Retiarius&diff=prev&oldid=284569029 previous edit] does seem appropriate.

:Therefore, I suggest removing the <nowiki>{{WPFISHING}}</nowiki> from the talk page, and leave a note on [[User talk:70.29.213.241]] with a link to the [[WP:DIFF|diff]] showing that you removed it, because you don't think that it is an appropriate category for the article.

:Note that the [[WP:TRANSCLUDE|transcluded]] template, [[template:WPFISHING]], includes the categorization you mentioned - thus removing that will fix the problems that you described.

:<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

::P.S. Seems to be a bit of a fish theme going on here, eh? Reminds me of [[The Fish-Slapping Dance]]. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

{{done}} OK, ta - I've done as you suggested - removed the fishing cat. & put that note on user's Talk. (Monty Python - brings back memories. I liked Fawlty Towers the best.)

::Heh, cool. I was just pondering a 'fishing cat' :-) <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Cookie from Voxfan ==

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[[User:Voxfan|Voxfan]] ([[User talk:Voxfan|talk]]) has given you a [[cookie]]! Cookies promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching! <br />

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{tls|Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{tls|munch}}!
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:Thanks! <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Archiving a talk page ==

I'd also suggest you might take a look at [[WP:ARCHIVE|Archiving a talk page]] - this thing is '''huge''' :-) <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

: Hi. Thanks! Yes, you are absolutely correct about that! I '''finally''' got around to cleaning up my Talk Page. That had been on my "back burner" for quite a while ... and I simply was never able to get to it. Thanks for the message, though. Much appreciated. As you will now see, my Talk Page has become much more manageable ... and far more "cleaned up". Thanks! ([[User:Joseph A. Spadaro|Joseph A. Spadaro]] ([[User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro|talk]]) 01:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC))

::Hiya, as you've probably seen, I've taken the liberty of adding an index to your talk page, right at the top. What I've done is, created [[user:Joseph A. Spadaro/index]], which contains a 'bit of code' to display all your subpages; then I've [[WP:TRANSCLUDE|transcluded]] that page into a 'hidden section' at the top of your talk page; just click 'show' to reveal it.

::I hope you'll find it useful; I just noticed that you had a number of sandboxes, and thought that this might help your navigation. Of course, it's '''your''' talk page, so feel free to undo my change if you don't like it.

::One more tip; instead of copying stuff over when replying to messages, it keeps things simpler if you just reply to them wherever they are; for example, as I have done here.

::If you do reply to a message from another user on your own talk page, it's then nice to 'let them know' that they have a new message. You can use a very simple template to do this; if you go to their page, create a new section (called 'talkback' or something), and put <nowiki>{{talkback|Joseph A. Spadaro}}</nowiki>, that will produce a message on their page, like the one I'd left for you.

::Hope this makes sense; if you need help etc, leave me a note here, or [http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/ talk to us live].

::Best wishes, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Help - how to let collaborators help with an article before "going live" ==

Hi! Sorry, but I've forgotten what you wanted me to put in the subject line and don't know my way around this thing very well yet... Anyway, is there a way to let others (specific others) see/edit a subpage that I'm working on before "publishing" it?

Also, if it's an easy answer, how do I go from subpage to "live" when it's ready? I'm sure I can find the answer to this one, so disregard if it's not a short answer!

Thanks!
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[[User:Rompecabezas|Rompecabezas]] ([[User talk:Rompecabezas|talk]]) 03:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:No problems!

:*To ask others to look at an article you're working on, just go to their talk page, and leave them a message with the link, such as <nowiki>[[user:chzz/test]]</nowiki>, which will display as [[user:chzz/test]]. For more on this, see [[WP:LINKING]]

:*To create such a page, you just go to the page and click 'start this article' - for example, [[user:Rompecabezas/newpage]] < click that and create it, put something in and save. Job done. For more help, see [[WP:USERPAGE#How do I create a user subpage]].

:*When you're ready to make it 'live', you just edit your page, copy everything, go to the non-existent article, create it, and paste. It's usually a good idea to get someone to check over the page first; you could ask in [[WP:FEED]], for example.

:For help at any time, [http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/ click here to talk to us live].

:Best wishes, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::That helps! Thanks again. - [[User:Rompecabezas|Rompecabezas]] ([[User talk:Rompecabezas|talk]]) 03:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::...and thanks for covering my butt! :) - [[User:Rompecabezas|Rompecabezas]] ([[User talk:Rompecabezas|talk]]) 03:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:::No problems at all :-) We're all here to help out. As a new user, I wanted to jump in quick and get you off to a good start. Welcome aboard :-) And please - don't worry about making mistakes; we all do it, all the time - but everything can be 'undone'. I just didn't want you getting a big nasty 'Your article has been deleted', and thus being put off.

:::Best, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cguinness|Cguinness]] ([[User talk:Cguinness|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cguinness|contribs]]) 14:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Hey thankyou for the message. I would like to get to know wikipedia and contribute to it on a regular basis. Thanks

Dr. D H <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sciencekeeper|Sciencekeeper]] ([[User talk:Sciencekeeper|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sciencekeeper|contribs]]) 14:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===Thanks==
Thanks for your help and suggestions.

[[User:Atmamatma|Atmamatma]] ([[User talk:Atmamatma|talk]]) 17:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

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[[User:Logan|Logan]] | [[User_talk:Logan|Talk]] 18:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Cheers ==

Thanks for the AfD advice. [[User:Smartse|Smartse]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 19:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== TomCat4680 ==

{{user|TomCat4680}} re. American football infobox

{{tlx|Talkback|TomCat4680}}

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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Twinkle | Twinkle's]] warning levels ==

Hiya. A query for you, re [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Twinkle | Twinkle's]] warning levels. <br>

Is Twinkle clever enough to select the appropriate warning level? How does it do so, & is it pretty accurate? <br>

Thx in advance as usual, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09|talk]]) 11:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:No, you have to select it yourself. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
== Anonymous trouting ==

{{trout}}
Was {{user|Thenachoman}} 19:00, 20 April 2009

== Hi! ==

Hi!

It's really nice to get a message from you. I've largely resigned from editing Wikipedia, so hadn't been checking my messages carefully, so I missed your one-month-old message. Am extremely sorry about that. Have been doing well. Still use Wikipedia a lot for referencing. Hope everything's fine at your end, too.

You must have missed a barnstar I'd awarded you. Go to [[Polyclonal response]] as there's a suprise for you. TC.

<span style="font: small-caps 15px times;">'''[[User:KC Panchal|<font color="#800080">—Ketan</font><font color="#000000">Panchal</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:KC Panchal|<font color="#2F4F4F">''<small>t</small>aL<font size=3>K</font>''</font>]]'''</sup></span> 19:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

:I did get the barnstar, thanks :-) It'll be in my archives. Also, yeah, I checked out [[Polyclonal B cell response]] - GA, wow :-) Developed really well, eh?
:So - I've been back a few months, and I've been extremely active on WP - involved in all kinds of stuff. Judging from your pages, I guess you got pretty involved, too?
:Mostly, I help out others; pop in to the [http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/ talk to us live] thing - I'm usually there.
:Nice to catch up :-) Hope you'll be around a bit more. Keep in touch. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

(I understand about the cell-phone, and I'm sure you won't mind my moving your reply back to this section <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC))

=== Welcome back! ===

Hi! Nice to see you back. Yes, I'd got too involved with Wikipedia, in the sense my obsession with Wikipedia was preventing me from concentrating on my academic studies. Otherwise, I really look forward to getting involved with Wikipedia, again. It's nice you're out there to help people. Wikipedia is such a huge repository of knowledge that I've used, and I feel indebted to return something. That was the strongest reason I'd started contributing in the first place. Next time around when I resume contributing, I hope that'd be with greater expertise in my chosen subject, and command over English.

Till then, take care and happy editing!

PS: I've typed these messages from my cell phone, which supports very limited number of characters per message, so had to reply in a new section instead of followup of your previous message.

(Unsigned, from {{user|KC Panchal}} 09:48, 21 April 2009)

:Yes, I fully understand what it is to be a [[Wikipedia:Wikipediholic|Wikipediholic]]. A balance is needed :-) For the time being, I am in the fortunate position of having lots of time to dedicate to the project, so I'm making the most of it. I'm in constant awe over the nature of Wikipedia; despite the many problems, I think it's an incredible resource, and it gets better every minute.
:Your English looks pretty damn good to me :-) I'm quite experienced in teaching English as a second language, so if you do ever have questions, feel free to ask me.
:I look forward to speaking to you again soon. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


== Done ==

{{Done}} At least for the most part. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASandbox&diff=285139776&oldid=285139697] That's the test edit. --'''''[[User:The New Mikemoral|<span style="color: #0095B6">The New</span>]]''''' [[User talk:The New Mikemoral|<span style="color: #1E90FF">Mikemoral</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The New Mikemoral|♪♫]] 01:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for your help. --'''''[[User:The New Mikemoral|<span style="color: #0095B6">The New</span>]]''''' [[User talk:The New Mikemoral|<span style="color: #1E90FF">Mikemoral</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The New Mikemoral|♪♫]] 01:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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Oh, my goodness. Never thought I'd be here in my whole life, growin' up in <s>Tennessee</s>[[Eastwood, Nottinghamshire|Eastwood]]. I -- I want to say that <s>Johnny Cash</s>[[user:Jimbo Wales|jimbo Wales]] and <s>June Carter</s>Larry Sanger{{fact|april 2009}} had a wonderful tradition of honoring other <s>artists and musicians and singers</s>wikipedians. And I really feel that tradition tonight. It is very important and -- and I really feel it. So I want to thank Mike for this incredible honor.

I want to say thank you to so many people who helped me create this <s>role</s>page; everyone at [http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/ #wikipedia-en-help], [[user:stwalkerster|stwalkerster]], [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]], [[user:killiondude|killiondude]], for halping me.

A very special thank you to [[User:The New Mikemoral]] who created the award, and also wrote this character, who is a real woman (or man), who has dignity and honor and fear and courage; and he/she's a real woman/man. And I really appreciate that. It was an incredible gift that you gave me, so thank you.

And <s>T-Bone Burnett</s>[[User:Thehelpfulone|Thehelpfulone]] for helping me realize my lifelong dream of being a <s>country music singer</s>wikipedian. Thank you, Thehelpfulone.

And I want to say thank you to [[user:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] who just put his heart and soul into this award. His commitment and passion for this character and for this performance was just remarkable, and I feel so lucky to have gone on this journey with you.

I'm so blessed to [not] have my family here tonight. And I just want to say thank you so much for everything, for being so proud of me. It didn't matter if I was making my bed or makin' <s>a movie</s>an artikel. They never hesitated to say how <s>proud</s>angry they were <s>of</s>with me, and that means so very much to a child. So, thank you, mom and dad.

I want to say thank you to my wonderful <s>husband</s>paperboy and my two <s>children</s>cats -- who should be goin' to bed. And thank you for loving me so much and supporting me.

I want to say that my -- my grandmother was one of the biggest inspirations in my life. She taught me how to <s>be a real woman</s>suck eggs, to have strength and self-respect, and to never give those things away.

And those were a lot of qualities I saw in [[user:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]]. And people used to ask Jimbo how -- how <s>s</s>he was doin'. And <s>s</s>he used to say, "I'm just tryin' to matter." And, I know what <s>s</s>he means, you know. I'm just trying to matter and live a good life and make work that means something to somebody. And you have all made me feel that I might have accomplished that tonight. So, thank you so much for this honor.

<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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'''Chzz''', The New Mikemoral has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small>
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--'''''[[User:The New Mikemoral|<span style="color: #0095B6">The New</span>]]''''' [[User talk:The New Mikemoral|<span style="color: #1E90FF">Mikemoral</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The New Mikemoral|♪♫]] 02:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Templates ==

Hi Chzz. Thanks for your answer on my mentors (TheNewMikemoral) subpage. I actually posed this question, because Im not sure if I may ask a user to revert a revision he made in my article [[Jacob Aaron Westervelt]]. When I originally moved this article from my Sandbox to the public space, the mentioned templates "were allocated" to the relating section (see history of this article). For example the [[Template:Clipper ships]] was placed at the end of the section [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Aaron_Westervelt#Clipper_ships Westervelt clippers] aso. The mentioned user (who actually is a very good copyeditor!), moved all templates at the bottom of the article. I know that most users do so and normally it makes sence (specially if an article is short). But actually my article has 60 kb and is very long, and I think it would be better (for the general view and the understanding of this article), if these templates are placed within the article. But I can not ask a more experienced user to revert an edit, if I have no guidelines I can refer to. What shall I do in such a case?--'''''[[User:Rectilinium|<span style="color: #ADADAD">Rectilinium</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Rectilinium|<span style="color: #C81717">''''''♥''''''</span>]] 08:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:*First, a quick point - it's best to avoid saying 'my article' - see [[WP:OWN]].
:*Re. <nowiki>{{Song about the Margaret Evans}}</nowiki> - I don't see why this is a template; surely it should be an article of its own, with an appropriate [[WP:LINKING]] wikilink from [[Jacob Aaron Westervelt]].
:*Personally, I think that <nowiki>{{Clipper ships}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{Ships built by Westervelt & Co.}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{PreConsolidationNYCMayors}}</nowiki> should go at the end of the article; having them within the article would be more cumbersome - however, this is merely my opinion.
:*You are quite right to not revert the other editor without discussion. If you do wish to discuss it, the correct approach would be to start a discussion in [[Talk:Jacob Aaron Westervelt]] - create a new section there, state what you think should change, and why. Then, go to the other users talk page, and ask them to contribute to the discussion. You might also want to ask others to contribute - perhaps put a request on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships]] - again, a new section, and a short note asking for input. The more the merrier; hopefully 'we' (that is, all wikipedians) can then reach a [[WP:CONSENSUS]] and decide to make the changes or not.
:*If a consensus cannot be reached, follow the [[WP:DISPUTE|dispute]] policy - which is not as ominous as it sounds; for example you might request a [[Wikipedia:Third opinion|third opinion]].
:*The article looks very nice, very interesting. To develop it further, I suggest asking for a [[WP:PR|peer review]].
:Good luck in whatever you decide; if I can help more, please feel free to ask here, or [http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/ talk to us live]. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

::Hi. Thanks for the informations. I'll be waiting untill Ukexpat has finished the copy-editing. Then I'll be asking for the peer review. With kind regards --'''''[[User:Rectilinium|<span style="color: #ADADAD">Rectilinium</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Rectilinium|<span style="color: #C81717">''''''♥''''''</span>]] 19:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback from GandalftheWise ==

{{tlx|tb|GandalftheWise}} (unsigned; from {{user|GandalftheWise}} 12:52, 21 April 2009
{{done}}

== Qry ==

No rush, but here's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Trafford09/Sandbox#qry another small query for you]. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trafford09|contribs]]) 17:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Answered in [[User:Trafford09/Sandbox]], as requested <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:23, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


==Help User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz problem==
Hi Chzz,
:I'm so sorry to bothering you again but I seem to be unlucky.
If you wouldn't mind could you please have a look t article [[Jessicka]]. I think you'll see the article is sufficiently referenced.

I've tried to first discuss my problem in good faith with [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz]] here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz#Clint_Catalyst.2C_Jessicka.2C_and_COI-implicated_editors_who_refuse_to_abide_by_WP:RS_and_WP:BLP] and on my talk page here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xtian1313#Please_do_not_post_uncivil_invective_on_my_talk_page] but he's decided to ignore me.
After reading his talk page I see I'm not the only person having a problem with him.

Sadly, Hullaballoo has a reputation for trolling Wiki articles and deleting absolutely anything and everything that isn't cited to "his standards", rather than simply citing it himself, all the while continually invoking various Wikipedia policies to defend his agenda and making bad faith suggestions such as "you need to 'reread' such-and-such policy." I believe this is referred to as "gaming the system" (WP:GAME), and he is what we call a destructive, rather than constructive, editor. :(

Is there anything you can do?
I'm really frustrated that my wife's article is continually vandalized by users like this.
thank again,
[[User:Xtian1313|Xtian1313]] ([[User talk:Xtian1313|talk]]) 17:32, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:Hi there. Sorry to hear you are frustrated, however, I'd have to back the other editor on this one. I like to think of myself as an [[meta:Inclusionism|inclusionist]], but I do make two exceptions. One is BLP information without good sources, the other is in regard to spam articles. I won't quote policy - you've already heard all that; instead, I'll merely give you this quotation from [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo]];

{{Jimboquote|I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced.*|}}

<small><small>*Jimmy Wales (2006-05-16). [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-May/046440.html "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information"]. WikiEN-l electronic mailing list archive. Retrieved on 2009-04-08. </small></small>

:I don't agree with everything Mr Wales says, but in this case, I'm in full accord.

:The problem can be solved easily though - if you explain on the talk page what info should be added, with reliable sources, then it can be put back.

:Sorry I can't offer any more concrete help, but I do think that some of your comments to the other editor were attacking him/her, rather than addressing the actual dispute; please be very careful about that. You are perfectly entitled - indeed encouraged - to vigorously argue about the pros and cons of adding/removing information; however, comments directed at other editors will not be tolerated.

:I sincerely hope this helps, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Welcome template ==

I like the welcome template you just put on [[User talk:Mwagner24]], which one is that? (Watchlisting) - Dan [[User:Dank55|Dank55]] ([[User talk:Dank55|push to talk]]) 20:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:It's one of my own devising, [[user:chzz/w]] - feel free to 'nick it'. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, it's great. I'll tweak it enough so that I don't have to give you credit if that's okay :) - Dan [[User:Dank55|Dank55]] ([[User talk:Dank55|push to talk]]) 21:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Heh; no problems; I don't [[WP:OWN|own]] it :-) <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Help ==

How did you get that little blushing face icon? is there a place where there are more face expressions? Thnx.
--[[User:GandalftheWise|GandalftheWise]] ([[User talk:GandalftheWise|talk]]) 22:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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