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PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE EDITING THIS PAGE

This is the discussion page for an article ABOUT writing new articles, NOT the correct place to start writing one.

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{{Notice|This is a discussion page for a page '''''about''''' writing your first article, '''''not the place to actually write it!''''' If you would like to experiment, please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] or your [[Wikipedia:User page|user page]]. If you would like to see the page for which this is a discussion page, click here: [[Wikipedia:Your first article]]}}

==BBSes==

I have no idea what a BBS is. I linked it, but I got a disambiguation page. Is it [[Bulletin Board System]]? I'm not quite sure. [[User:Thhhh|Thhhh]] ([[User talk:Thhhh|talk]]) 02:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:I believe so, it makes sense in that context. I've gone ahead and disambiguated it. --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] <sup>([[User_talk:Icarus3|Hi!]])</sup> 02:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Help with this page ==
After discussion, I have gone ahead and forked this page from [[WP:Starting an article]]. I think this one should be more encouraging of new users, and only focused on what we really need from them. I also think it makes sense to have some samples of first article "types" (bios, companies, music): perhaps we can engage some WikiPorjects in this? Thoughts, help and assistance all of course welcome. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 03:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:This is a good start. I reworded and reordered a bit at the top.
:Another avenue to simplify things is to better split "show notability", "add references", "use reliable sources". These are interrelated but distinct topics. Each one of them are difficult for the new writer to grasp.
:And the more concise we can make the intro, ideally fitting onto a single browser screen, the more plus-good. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 05:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::Great ideas, and thanks for your help so far. I have to turn in, but will tackle again tomorrow. Hopefully we'll attract some more help. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 05:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I have read it <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sinostrong|Sinostrong]] ([[User talk:Sinostrong|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sinostrong|contribs]]) 05:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Passing comment ==

The history of this page is somewhat amusing, although a little disturbing. People are clicking on "edit this page", and then right next to the piece of text saying "PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE EDITING THIS PAGE" followed by "...NOT the correct place to start writing one." they do what? They ''start writing their first article''!!! I mean, holy RTFM batman! I was previously advocating being nice to the newbies, I'm now standing in limbo for an attitude correction. Is there something more we can do, other than big flashing purple boxes? At the least, we're taking some load off the new page patrollers since the new pages aren't being created in mainspace, they're getting written here. Ideas are welcome :) [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 03:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:At one point, I put that invisible notice in several sections, though I don't know if it helped at all... Would it be possible to make the one visible on the page 24pt font and bright purple, lol? One thing that I just did on someone's talk page wouldn't stop it from happening, but might stop the repeat offenders (it's amazing how many people see their attempt at starting an article reverted, and then do it all over again!). I basically left a notice box, similar to the one at the top of the page but modified to not say "this page", on their talk page. Hopefully they'll at least see ''that'' one. Might it be worth making a template for that very purpose? <nowiki>{{subst:uw-yfa}}</nowiki> or something of the sort? --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] <sup>([[User_talk:Icarus3|Hi!]])</sup> 04:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::That screwed it up for me. Is it monitor or browser that makes a diff? [[User:Phlegm Rooster|Phlegm Rooster]] ([[User talk:Phlegm Rooster|talk]]) 05:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Looks like it's a browser thing. I have a dual boot, and it looks fine when I'm using IE on the Windows partition. Since IE is much more common than Safari, which was what I was using when it looked off, let's keep it the way that looks right on IE. --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] <sup>([[User_talk:Icarus3|Hi!]])</sup> 10:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Especially among the non-tech-savvy. [[User:Phlegm Rooster|Phlegm Rooster]] ([[User talk:Phlegm Rooster|talk]]) 10:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


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PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE EDITING THIS PAGE

This is the discussion page for an article ABOUT writing new articles, NOT the correct place to start writing one.

If you are looking for a place to experiment with editing Wikipedia, there's a page called the Sandbox that's designed specifically for that purpose.
You can reach it by going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SAND

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::We can do away with the hidden comments and add an edit notice. See {{tl|editnotice}} for details. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 22:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Guled ==

this is a rare diesease which is mainly situated in somalia
there is no cure for this <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sakhi1000|Sakhi1000]] ([[User talk:Sakhi1000|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sakhi1000|contribs]]) 21:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]], the online free encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]], and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to ''using'' the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|reference desk]], divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.<!-- Template:Astray --> --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 22:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Edit notice ==

Any objections to deleting the warning comments in the beginning of the page and creating an edit nocit per {{tl|editnotice}}. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 18:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:I think it sounds like a great idea. I even considered doing it right away when I saw your suggestion, lol, but I don't know the markup for making the giant red "STOP! READ THIS!" I'm picturing and I'm a bit busy with school work right now to play around with it. But if you know the markup and have time to do it, I think it would be a definite improvement. --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] <sup>([[User_talk:Icarus3|Hi!]])</sup> 18:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a sample notice done with {{tl|editnotice}}:

{{editnotice
| header = PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE EDITING THIS PAGE<br />DO NOT PUT YOUR NEW ARTICLE HERE - IT WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.
| headerstyle = background:red; font-size:125%;
| text = This is an article ABOUT writing new articles, NOT the correct place to start writing one.

If you are looking for a place to experiment with editing Wikipedia, there's a page called the Sandbox that's designed specifically for that purpose. You can reach it at [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]]. Like everything here at Wikipedia, of course, you can edit this page if you think you can improve it.
| textstyle =
| image =
}}
--—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup>*</font></b> - </i> 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
*Sounds like a good idea. I navigated here to make sure I had the shortcut right and found [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Your_first_article&oldid=236990367 this]. It took me about 5 minutes to realize i HAD found the right article (Rather than the sandbox) and it was just...well, being someone's first article. Although I know for a fact that people ignore any color sign, red and obvious is a good start. [[User:Protonk|Protonk]] ([[User talk:Protonk|talk]]) 02:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
*I think the editnotice is a good idea, but I wouldn't suggest using it to to ''replace'' anything, just to ''supplement'' the existing warnings littered everywhere in the displayable and hidden text. Never underestimate people's capacity to ignore all signs. An alternative viewpoint is that under-warning here is actually a good thing - we take so much load off the new-page-patrollers! Until the devs finally release the ''MildElectricalShock'' extension, there will always be new articles created here. Yet another viewpoint is that rather than simply reverting the misguided additions here (which is what I do) - we should be seizing the initiative to guide new editors into their sandboxes. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
*I think the edit notice is a good idea. This project page is attracting so many test edits. Could the name be adding to that? How about something like ''Wikipedia:Advice on writing your first article''? /[[User:Newbyguesses|NewbyG]] ([[User_talk:Newbyguesses|talk]]) 04:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
* Comment - for reference, the origin of this page (Your first article) is [[Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Archive_29#Something_I_hope_will_reduce_the_number_of_CSD|this followup]] to [[Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Archive_29#My_Hatred_of_Speedy_Deletion|this archived discussion]] on WT:CSD. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

==Someone vandalized the page!==

I was reading the page, learning how to create an article, at the bottom of the page were written the words "gay gay gay gay gay gay gay homosexual." This vandalism can not continue. It is imperative to the security of Wikipedia.
[[User:Hieveryone13|Hieveryone13]] ([[User talk:Hieveryone13|talk]]) 23:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:This page is, unfortunately, a relatively common target for vandalism. Probably because it's so easy for newcomers to find, and a very visible minority of newcomers have less than noble intentions :-\ Many users such as myself, however, keep this page on our [[Help:Watching pages|watchlists]], so [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]] gets reverted very quickly. If you're interested in helping to fight vandalism, feel free to [[Help:Reverting|revert]] any blatant vandalism you encounter on this or any other page. --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] <sup>([[User_talk:Icarus3|Hi!]])</sup> 07:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[WP:Your first article#How to create a page|#How to create a page]] section - list of sources ==

This section says that the first thing you should do in your new article is to write a list of sources. Agreed, absolutely, but for the naive user it doesn't seem clear.

The two examples (1) and (2) are correct, but they already show as blue-externals - the new user will be confused because they have no idea how to make things blue (they don't know yet that naked hyperlinks go blue automagically) and they don't know how to make that two-little-blue-square symbol. That's also automagic, but they don't know, so they'll be turned off.

I'd try putting in some <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki>'s, but they can't be inline with the examples, because the just-cluing-in new user will edit the section and copy the nowiki's too. Anyway, needs reformatting, for the new-page-makers who've read down that far - in fact, they're the ones we want, those with the patience to scroll down and read that far! [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 06:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== How do I create a page with the same name but different subject? ==

I want to create a page about "Experience Unlimited" which is a statewide (California) government program helping people find jobs, but there is a page by that name already about an old musical group.

Here is some text about EU:

EDD's Job Service offices provide space, equipment, and a staff specialist for each EU chapter. This important service is a response to the needs of communities faced with an increase in corporate mergers, relocations, and downsizing, or an increased number of people forced to change jobs due to technological shifts.

The Experience Unlimited concept started in Berkeley in 1959 and expanded quickly throughout the state. In the late 1970's the number of chapters began to decline until only four cities retained chapters. In 1986 the concept was revived, and there are currently more than 23 chapters, each of which bears an unique name such as ProSearch, Marin Professionals, and OPEN.

[[Special:Contributions/66.102.205.27|66.102.205.27]] ([[User talk:66.102.205.27|talk]]) 07:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

:See [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation]] for dealing with such situations. Basically, when two articles would share the same name, one or both will have their name modified with a paranthetical explanation. For example, [[Wings (band)]] and [[Wings (TV series)]]. In that case, there is also a [[Wings (disambiguation)]] to help users find the articles they're looking for. Other times, the disambiguation page will have no "(disambiguation)" after it, if there is no article at the same name without a paranthetical explanation.
:Your best bet in this situation is to create your article with a title like [[Experience Unlimited (California)]] and put a short disambig notice at the top of the [[Experience Unlimited]] article. Alternatively, you can move [[Experience Unlimited]] to [[Experience Unlimited (band)]] (be sure to learn how from [[Help:Moving a page]] – do ''not'' just copy and paste the contents to a new page!) and then make [[Experience Unlimited]] a disambiguation page with a link to both [[Experience Unlimited (band)]] and [[Experience Unlimited (California)]]. Having a separate disambiguation page might be overkill, though, since there are only two pages to disambiguate between. I also don't recommend creating your article under the unmodified name, as that can lead to conflicts over which article should have the unmodified name and which ought to be modified. --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] <sup>([[User_talk:Icarus3|Hi!]])</sup> 08:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== questions ==

When world first computer?
How base in World first computer?
Who create world first Computer (Team (or) personal)?
How big it world first computer? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Csyein|Csyein]] ([[User talk:Csyein|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Csyein|contribs]]) 05:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Try asking at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing]]. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 05:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

==Structuring==
I have restructured this guideline slightly. First, the "drawing board" reference where it was seems to have been confusing some users, who have simultaneously opened drawing board sections & started new articles. I think we need to clarify that the drawing board is optional and also to note other options. I have also moved the note about gathering references up, as the majority of feedback we ''do'' provide at DB is precisely addressing that. I believe it needs to be more prominent here. I have also added as an alternative point for feedback the talk page of a wikiproject, where users may find more informed response depending on the specifics of the article they're creating. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


==pictuers==

how the heck do i add pictuers to this thing? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hilary Duff124|Hilary Duff124]] ([[User talk:Hilary Duff124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hilary Duff124|contribs]]) 00:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Simply put, add <nowiki>[[File:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> to the article (replacing the "example" part with the actual filename). You should ''always'' use the show preview button when adding them, to make sure they will look right once it's saved. You should read over [[Wikipedia:Image tutorial]] first, though, as there are many more options and things to know about how images can and should be used in articles. Cheers. &ndash; [[User:Alex43223|Alex43223]]<sup> [[User talk:Alex43223|<font color="orange">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Alex43223|<font color="green">C</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Alex43223|<font color="red">E</font>]] </sup> 11:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

==Format wrong for printing==
The section '''Search for an existing article''':

When I print it, it seems to come as a table of sorts, or as the table of contents printing in/over the section text. Needs to be looked at and fixed? --[[User:Dumarest|Dumarest]] ([[User talk:Dumarest|talk]]) 17:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:I just printed this on a laser printer and it looks OK. Click on "Printable version" on the left toolbox and preview it. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 17:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== references/help ==

first off I'm a little hesitant on creating this on my own I'd rather someone else do it but no one seems to check the song page request page

about the references they are from the lead singer of the band's blog it is official and linked on the official [[The Academy Is...]] website aside from the videos that he tells the url of his blog

to better explain what I was referencing (and if that image could be used) I've copied what I put on that page
<blockquote>
"[[Winter Passing (song)|Winter Passing]] by [[The Academy Is...]] - single not from an album(it is unknown if it will be on an album in the future it is believed that it won't) some reference materials, from the lead singer, [[William Beckett (singer)|William Beckett]]'s blog if that would help [http://thewilliambeckettblog.com/post/61049273/ Album cover/release date], [http://thewilliambeckettblog.com/post/62629048/ when it was recorded], [http://thewilliambeckettblog.com/post/66150170/ video and information about where it was shot](I know it's a little hard to read on the video but it's directed by Jack (The Camera Guy) Edinger)
</blockquote>
(I'm horrible at phrasing things sometimes so I hope that made sense or I conveyed what I was meaning right)
[[User:Musicobsessed6|Musicobsessed6]] ([[User talk:Musicobsessed6|talk]]) 20:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

:I've done the first draft using my user page but I still have a question about using that album artwork, can I use it or can't use it under the copyright rules? and about the box at the bottom that lists the singles how does that get added there and from what I've heard His Girl Friday is not officially the next single but anyways how do those get changed? [[User:Musicobsessed6|Musicobsessed6]] ([[User talk:Musicobsessed6|talk]]) 22:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

::someone on the song project page helped me out and I have created the article and changed the things they advised I should [[User:Musicobsessed6|Musicobsessed6]] ([[User talk:Musicobsessed6|talk]]) 23:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==restoring the content of this page==
I hopefully have added back all that was erased(which was the whole page) I'm not sure if I should have but I didn't want people's discussions to be lost plus the disclaimer(or whatever it is called) was deleted to just thought I'd try and restore it for everybody [[User:Musicobsessed6|Musicobsessed6]] ([[User talk:Musicobsessed6|talk]]) 21:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

:See [[Help:Reverting]] for how to revert to an earlier version. I reverted to the version by Versus22, except keeping your additions at the end.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AYour_first_article&diff=272377247&oldid=272217080] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

::thank you that actually came in handy soon after I saw that [[User:Musicobsessed6|Musicobsessed6]] ([[User talk:Musicobsessed6|talk]]) 03:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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