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Badly sourced claim about Israeli schools[edit]

This text:

"Israeli schools have been criticized for portraying Arabs as intransigent and uncompromising, and exaggerating Palestinian antisemitism."

Is sourced to an archive of the "Jewish News Weekly of Northern California" and an archive of the "Mideast Journal" which no longer exists.

I don't think either source is particularly reliable nor does coverage in them merit inclusion. Any objections if I delete it?

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 04:59, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be expanded with better sources. A start would be Daniel Bar-Tal, The Rocky Road Toward Peace: Beliefs on Conflict in Israeli Textbooks, Journal of Peace Research, vol 35, no 6, 1998, pp 723–742; Majid Al-Haj, National Ethos, Multicultural Education, and the New History Textbooks in Israel, Curriculum Inquiry, vol 35, no 1, 2005, pp47–71. There are plenty of others. Zero^talk 08:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if and when someone wants to do that work completely new text can be put up. But is there any reason to leave up this horribly sourced claim until then? -- Bob drobbs (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I started to work on that bit, will be adding more. nableezy - 16:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Previous events[edit]

It should include other historical revolts with anti-arab component such as Berber Revolt and Abbasid Revolution--Acutepter (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 August 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Anti-Arab racism. This title was identified as the most common name; "anti-Arab racism" was also identified by participants as having preferable connotations to those of "anti-Arab sentiment". (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:57, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Arabism → Anti-Arab sentiment – This page should move to Anti-Arab sentiment, which has taken off as the more prevalent term since 2000, and better reflects the nebulous nature of this prejudice, as opposed to an 'ism', which colloquially makes it sound more like an organized or formalized ideology, when really the subject here is a variety of examples of different forms of relevant bigotry from around the world. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – Material Works 13:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - "isms" do not sound like formalized or organized ideologies. Racism and sexism, famously, are words we use to describe unjust prejudices and power structures. And on that point, Anti-Arabism is NOT just a "sentiment", as this move request implies. It also describes power structures of systemic oppression towards Arabs, especially detailed within the sections on national issues of Anti-Arabism. The section on Israel focuses almost entirety on the systemic oppression of Arabs, which "sentiment" does not adequately describe. The current title is far better at summarizing the concept. RobotGoggles (talk) 14:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-Arab sentiment is already an alt name in the page, so is already presented as a synonym, so no change of scope, structure or meaning is implied. I was merely speaking to connotations. In any case, the main point here is one of prevalence and indeed WP:COMMONNAME, if not already obvious. Also, Israel, as you point out, is just one example on the page. The page title reflects the whole. We have other words, such as apartheid, to describe the particular form of bigoted systematic oppression that Israel engages in. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect is not evidence that "anti-arab sentiment" is the more common name. It is an informal name, which redirects here, to its formal name. Anti-Arabism is by far the best title for this article, and it should therefore remain as the title.RobotGoggles (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You opened by stating the idea that 'isms' do not convey any sense of formality, and now you are saying it is a formal name. I'm not sure what to make of that, but yes, I get that your opinion is clear. What I cannot see is any evidence for it. I have already shown that the proposed title, which is not a mere redirect, but also a bolded alt name at the top of the page, is the more prevalent name. On Google Scholar, Anti-Arab sentiment meanwhile clocks in 1,160 hits to Anti-Arabism's 582 hits. The only alternative that I now realize that I might have overlooked (it not being an extant alt name on the page) is simply Anti-Arab racism, which cropped up as term when I was searching in Scholar, and which both dominates all other terms even more convincingly on Ngrams, and also clocks in the highest scholarly article count, at 1,970 hits, so perhaps Anti-Arab racism, which is also a current redirect, is in fact the term to go for. As the more prevalent 'ism', perhaps that would please you too. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator update: would also support Anti-Arab racism (see above). Iskandar323 (talk) 06:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting to get further consensus. – Material Works 13:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Arab world has been notified of this discussion. – Material Works 13:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Palestine has been notified of this discussion. – Material Works 13:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Discrimination has been notified of this discussion. – Material Works 13:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MaterialWorks FYI, I'd actually already notified these three WikiProjects already, just not with whatever handy tool you used, but still no traction it seems. Either ghost projects, or it's the summer! Iskandar323 (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, didn't notice that. Oh well, another ping isn't the end of the world :v. – Material Works 13:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per @RobotGoggles Abo Yemen ✉ 13:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen: Sorry, per which bit of what robot goggles said? There was a correspondence above in which the two key points raised were that robot goggles like isms and that sentiment wasn't strong enough, to which I responded that Anti-Arab racism, which ticks both of those boxes, is even more common. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Iskandar323 actually Anti-Arab racism is better Abo Yemen ✉ 14:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support as a descriptive and not too loaded term unlike the various ''isms''. Killuminator (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per @RobotGoggles.

Panam2014 (talk) 17:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support "Anti-Arab racism" as being more common and more telling-it-like-it-is. Zero^talk 01:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The page Anti-Palestinianism starts off "Anti-Palestinianism, or anti-Palestinian racism,..". I dislike the "sentiment" description, that's a bit of a cop-out. I guess I don't really object to either leaving it as is (with anti-Arab racism as an alt/redirect) or a switch to anti-Arab racism.Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.