Talk:Anglo-Scottish border/Archive 1

Archive 1

NB this page was the talk page "Talk:Border country" for the article Border country before it became a redirect.

A hive of scum and villainy, etc.

"This made the Borders into a hive of thieves, outlaws, robbers, cattle plunderers, and the like." - POV much? -- 201.51.221.66 17:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No; just plain, accurate description.

The folk of those lands are somewhat calmer now though.

Howard Alexander (talk) 06:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge

I think Border country and Scottish Marches should be merged, perhaps into Anglo-Scottish border. We may want to create a new article History of the Anglo-Scottish border - there isn't much history in the existing article. What do others think? - PKM (talk) 21:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with merging Border country and Scottish Marches. Neither is much on its own but a great deal could be done with one article.

I recently added material to the Anglo-Scottish border article which was more really to do with the Border country as a whole; but then the two are not linked, yet, so I did not see this one. "Anglo-Scottish border" is just a line with odd legal consequences like Gretna Green. The Middle Shires are another matter entirely; a great and distinct region of the realm.

I will wait to see if anyone is likely to object before doing anything radical, but then we can see if something can be made of this article.

Howard Alexander (talk) 06:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

It has taken a year and a half, but I have got around to it! I put the main text of "Scottish Marches" into the article, with a bit of tidying up, and the "Middle Shires" section from "Anglo-Scottish border". I think we can turn "Scottish Marches" into a Redirect, but if anyone wants to raid it for more material before deleting it, do. Howard Alexander (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I am against the merge. The Scottish Marches article needs expanding into a proper article about the wars, politics and machinations of the powerful wardens of the area. This article should concentrate on the period after the union of the crowns when need for powerful wardens disappeared. -- PBS (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thinking about it further. This title is not the best. "The Border Country" works as a name but "border county" does not as many states have had border countries and wild frontiers. Think for example of the current autonomous tribal regions of the old North West Frontier. The advantage of the Scottish Marches is it is a well sourced name and unambiguous name, which also had (has?) a legal meaning. It also ties in nicely with the marches article and the Welsh Marches in particular -- the Welsh Marches makes a good template for an expanded of the Scottish Marches article. -- PBS (talk) 00:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Support merger. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)