Talk:Blanche of Castile (1319–1375)

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Renaming[edit]

All sources quoted on her supposed marriage to Infante Pedro of Portugal, indicate that because of her mental and physical incapacities, she was not fit for marriage and the marriage never took place. Article should be moved back to her name plus date of birth and death. --Maragm (talk) 09:19, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 October 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Blanche of Castile (1319–75) per WP:DATERANGE. Jenks24 (talk) 14:13, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Blanche of Castile, Infanta of Portugal → Blanche of Castile (1315–1375) — Article should be moved back to Blanche of Castile (1315–1375), now a redirect page. The marriage to King Peter I of Portugal according to various sources used did not take place and, therefore, she should not be called Infanta of Portugal. --Maragm (talk) 13:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, since this person was evidently not an infanta of Portugal. Srnec (talk) 22:46, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly, though not born 1315.
"In October 1327..." (when she was 8) "... negotiated ... the marriage contracts of Blanche and Infante Peter of Portugal". "Blanche was taken to be raised in Portugal until she was of age for marriage". (guess 4 years, expected) "she began to show signs of illness and "defects of judgement" which made her unsuitable for marriage and for procreation". That is pretty severe. Socially, it is close dying. "The proposed marriage never took place". ("Never", not "didn't", implies a long time) "Blanche returned to Castile accompanied by Martim Fernandes de Portocarreiro and an entourage of Portuguese nobles with her entire dowry and money". When was this?! Martim Fernandes de Portocarreiro is estimated to be seven years younger than Blanche. It is looking very likely that Blanche lived a long time in Portugal, where as (even if only officially) betrothed to the Infante Peter, she would have been known as Infanta. Subsequently, she was hidden in a monastery (a lay nominal "abbess" of the Monastery), her inheritance redistributed, and nothing more to be said until her death many years later.
I think it very likely that the preponderance of everything written about her was about her as the betrothed Infanta of Portugal, and with the betrothal being a serious legal and social contract of time, the title was then correct. If this is a reasonable reading, then Blanche of Castile, Infanta of Portugal is the right title.
If it is to be moved, then get the birth date right, which would appear to mean Blanche of Castile (1319–1375). However, it needs to be resolved. Portuguese https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branca_de_Castela_(1315-1375) and Spanish https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanca_de_Castilla_(1319-1375) Wikipedias differ. The 1319 year comes with a month (August). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:48, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. Year of birth according to source used is 1319, not 1315, since she was born a two months after her father had died (he died in June 1319) So it should be moved to Blanche of Castile (1319–1375). But what does appear in the various sources used is that the marriage did not took place, so she was not an infanta of Portugal. And even if the marriage had taken place, I think the title "infanta" is used mostly to refer to the children born of kings and queens, and she was not. Had she married Peter, eventually she would have been queen consort of Portugal. And going over some charters from the of Mon. of Huelgas (primary source), I see that she is not mentioned as its abbess. In 1349, for example, the abbess was María Rodríguez de Rojas, in 1368 the abbess was Estefanía. and in Sept 1348, Alfonso XI confirms the obligation undertaken by doña Blanca, "señora de Huelgas", to pay the bishops and his successors 500 maravedíes every year from the income of the salt mines in Anaya. In 1371, sept. Henry II confirms a letter whereby he compensated Blanca with 10,000 mrvds annually from the income from Pancorbo in place of those she had received from Briviesca and Salinas de Anaya. So I'll be removing that she was an abbess (even though secondary sources mistakenly call her that) and replace it with "lady" of Huelgas. Her mother was also lady of the Señorío of Las Huelgas, besides being a nun at another monastery. Will go over the chronology checking against different sources since not all agree and the exact years that she lived in Portugal are not specified. As for the "defects of judgement", that is a direct quote from a secondary source.--Maragm (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2015 (UTC) Recapping, I suggest that the name be moved to Blanche of Castile (1319–1375)--Maragm (talk) 07:48, 5 November 2015 (UTC)Ps. the reason I had requested that is should be moved back to the original name was because there is a redirect page page=Blanche_of_Castile,_Infanta_of_Portugal with the erroneous year of birth, my mistake since I should have said from the start that it was 1319. --Maragm (talk) 07:55, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blanche_of_Castile_(1319–1375)&oldid=1206330149"