Talk:Carminative

What do you mean "A search site is not a secondary WP:SCIRS source?" Do I instead cite the books that contain these instead of the database itself? I can just cite the individual sources found in the database, no need to completely delete everything I added. But I am not sure if those sources themselves are primary, secondary, or both. 12/9/19 Kirchcou000 (talk) 21:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)Kirchcou000[reply]

"on the other hand"?[edit]

In the opening there is a sentence: "Carminatives have been shown to decrease lower esophageal pressure, which on the other hand increases the risk of Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease (GERD) or 'heartburn'." What does that mean? Is it saying carminatives increase GERD or that lower esophageal pressure increases GERD? 70.192.10.250 (talk) 20:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lower pressure causes GERD. Think of it as the pressure holding your... um... anus shut. In ... um ... flatulence, you can't hold high pressure in your anal sphincter.

My question is, I'm concerned that the source document for basis for the cause is all between 39 and 45 years old. My guess is there is more current thinking on the matter somewhere, even if it supports the old thinking. There's no way to be sure this is not completely outmoded physiological thinking, without someone finding more current corroboration.

Jackhammer111 (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The latest science that I could find^[1] says that the earlier study^[2] used inaccurate methods and that carminatives tested do not decrease pressure in the lower esophagus. So I've removed the comment.

--Cimbalom (talk) 02:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

^ Bulat, R. (1 June 1999). "Lack of effect of spearmint on lower oesophageal sphincter function and acid reflux in healthy volunteers". Alimentary Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 13 (6): 805–812. doi:10.1046/j.1365-2036.1999.00528.x. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link)
^ Sigmund, C. J. (1969). "The action of a carminative on the lower esophageal sphincter". Gastroenterology. 56 (1): 13–18. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

[1] Bulat, R. (1 June 1999). "Lack of effect of spearmint on lower oesophageal sphincter function and acid reflux in healthy volunteers". Alimentary Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 13 (6): 805–812. doi:10.1046/j.1365-2036.1999.00528.x. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link)

[2] Sigmund, C. J. (1969). "The action of a carminative on the lower esophageal sphincter". Gastroenterology. 56 (1): 13–18. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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