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Request for input in discussion forum[edit]

Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. John Carter (talk)

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Joining the Alt Med taskforce[edit]

I was wondering how I could be involved and join the alt med taskforce. Tharyanp ! 21:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:Tharyanp,
Welcome to Wikipedia. "Joining" really just means that you help out with the work. Improve articles on alt med topics, keep an eye on this page for anyone who needs help (or to tell us what you've done that you enjoyed), and do your best to improve information on Wikipedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I am new here and need help with to correct a possible vandalism[edit]

Hello all I decided to finally create an account since I see a lot of vandalism happening to the subjects I have a interest in. I was researching Holistic Medicine and was redirected to Holistic health.. the page seems to have been changed to the point that there is no real information for Holistic health and the only sources that are cited besides one leads to Quackwatch. Why would a article on alternative health point to only resources to Quackwatch and organization that is opposed to any kinds of alternative health?

I do not really have the knowledge or know how to fix it at this time I have only really done basic editing on wiki in past like linking to other articles. I also do not think I have enough knowledge in this area to write a full based article on it which is what it needs. I do a lot of research though... on topics I care about and well I used Wikipedia a lot as a jumping of point to topics like Herbalism,Alchemy,Paganism,Spirituality.. just to name a few. That is why I am here It makes me said that a great resource for knowledge that I care about is being intentionally vandalized and deleted. Just because it goes against what other people believe, Knowledge should be free no matter how Alternative it is. I hope some one can help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkMystik1 (talkcontribs) 07:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Sometimes you can find useful information in old versions, by looking in the page history. But remember, Wikipedia is supposed to represent the mainstream views as being the dominant mainstream views, and minority viewpoints as being the less popular/generally rejected/unscientific/minority views (whichever applies).
Generally speaking, the first step in improving an article is to find a good book on the subject. The best sources are usually independent "overviews" written by people who aren't trying to make money or get famous and published by a reputable publisher (not self-published by the author via a vanity press). WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Category_talk:Alternative_medicine#Pseudoscience_category_being_added_again[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Category_talk:Alternative_medicine#Pseudoscience_category_being_added_again. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Attention needed at Postural_Integration; possible fringe article[edit]

This article's sources are all primary, with 11 of the 12 being from the founder's writings. This is a very fringe form of bodywork and I haven't been able to find any reference to it in the secondary source books I'm consulting for another bodywork page, Rolfing. It is in the list of types of massage at the bottom of the Rolfing page, but I think it should be removed from that list due to be quite obscure. Google didn't produce much useful information, either, nor did it produce local practitioners. I'm hesitant to rip into this page myself, being a newbie and not being sure how to handle an utter lack of sources. Thought you might be interested. Thanks!--Karinpower (talk) 18:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Gary Null Article[edit]

The Gary Null article is getting hammered. It started out as a biased article, I started adding to it to make it objective, more balanced, and give more information. Apparently I have a conflict of interest because my dad did his radio show in the 70s and 80's. Any editors wanna pick this up and develop the article? Its getting hammered by several editors who rather than look at facts just keep reverting the article. I am not interested in counterattacking or sanctioning these people, but they seem very interested in counterattacking and sanctioning me.

If you want to help, add useful, accurate information to his article. hello 02:21, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Concern about Naturopathy article[edit]

I want to express my concern about the article Naturopathy.

My impression from the article is that the chief concern is to warn readers against naturopathy. I do not dispute that there are concerns about naturopathy that need to be raised. However, I think the article is dishonest in that it does not recognize that some modern naturopaths are working very hard to apply scientific, evidence-based methods to treatment of medical problems. In other words, the article tars all naturopathy with the same brush.

For one example, the very first sentence of the article ties naturopathy to belief in Vitalism. It may be true that some current naturopaths believe in vitalism and it may also be true that the historical roots of naturopathy trace back there. But to suggest that all modern naturopathy is based on vitalism is a gross distortion and a slanderous statement in my opinion.

I have raised my concern in a comment in the article discussion page but I suspect that the editors who watch the page may be more concerned with warning people against naturopathy than with issues of fairness. (If so, that is their right.) It is this suspicion that leads me to raise the matter here in the hope that other editors will take a look.

Thanks, CBHA (talk) 05:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, perhaps I'm feeling a little overly discouraged about this sort of dispute today, but it's really difficult. Our community does have some editors that are dedicated to make sure that anything that can be tarred as "quackery" gets painted as black and evil as possible. We also have some editors who believe that because a minority believe in Science, or at least say that they do, that the whole field is instantly cleansed by them.
I suspect that what you need is a couple of secondary sources published in mainstream (even anti-naturopath) academic medical journals, written by mainstream MDs with not even the faintest hint of a connection to or sympathy for naturopathy, saying that most modern naturopaths don't believe in whatever nonsense its original founders believed in, just like most modern MDs don't believe in the nonsense that their original founders believed in (which wasn't the scientific method, as you probably already know). That's a tall order, but if you can find sources like that, then that will help you in discussions with those editors who aren't True Disbelievers™. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Would like feedback on Dahn Yoga Article[edit]

I have been working on the Dahn Yoga article on occassion for a while now. I don't know much about the group, but it appears that members have been editing and whitewashing the article on and off since it was created, which piqued my interest. An unregistered user recently added a sentence stating that all the lawsuits against them had been dropped or dismissed; the "source" is a press release by Dahn Yoga itself in PRNewswire. I was unable to find an objective source regarding the status of these suits. Is it appropriate to undo the edit by the unregistered user? Also, I will probably not be back on Wikipedia regularly, is there some way to watch the page in case those affiliated with the group return to edit it again? -Lciaccio (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

NCCAM classifications[edit]

Why should Wikipedia, an encyclopedia with its own standards, adopt classifications of NCCAM, an empirically proven mass money waster with political ends? FloraWilde (talk) 05:10, 29 July 2014 (UTC)