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WOW!!!!![edit]

What a great, well written article! My kudos. I just added a few links to some other de Soto sites and Mississippian culture related stuff.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 03:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The map is excellent— it saves me the trouble of creating one. Great job. Bms4880 (talk) 13:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I've been working trying to link up all of the de Soto related articles lately, with maps. I was able to find a ton of pages about various groups and sites visited( or destroyed, but trying to keep it NPOV, lol) by the Entrada, but non of them were linked to each other in any kind of way. I created a page, List of sites and peoples visited by the Hernando de Soto Expedition, which has as many of them as I could find so far, as a kind of index for the expedition. I'm expecting that it might eventually be merged into the de Soto article, but I didn't feel like completely re-writing the de soto article at this time, it would more than double it in length, and I'm not sure it'd work anyway. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Please Folks! Stop presenting theories as facts in Wikipedia[edit]

The article as I found it was fraught with mistranslated indigenous words, theories, downright false statements that were presented as facts. It presented the Charles Hudson route for de Soto as fact, when actually, much of it has been disproven in recent years. At this point, all thirty proposed routes for de Soto must be presented as theories. However, Hudson's route is increasingly looking like the least accurate - as far as the Southern Highlands and eastern Tennessee goes.

I was Executive Director of the Asheville-Buncombe County, NC Historical Commission when Hudson and company came through. Both I and several NC state archaeologists repeatedly told him that there were no occupied Mississippian towns in the French Broad River Valley during the 1500s. The Soto Expedition team ignored us because they were getting a substantial grant from the Biltmore Corporation.


What's more important, I am a Creek architect & city planner, and have been an architectural history consultant to the Creek Nation since 2005. I have written seven books on Southeastern Native American culture, that are used by Native American college students. I can translate Alabama, Hitchiti, Mvskoke and Koasati words. This is something that Southeastern archaeologists consistently fail to do. They also invariably pronounce Medieval Castilian words like they were English. For example, they pronounce Joara as Joe-ara, when it should be pronounced Wara.

By the way, Joara was a province. It was not a town. The capital of Joara had an entirely different name, and was a huge town with many mounds. It was probably about 80-100 miles south of the Marion, NC village site that the media is calling Joara.

Under no circumstances should Suale be equated with Joara. Suale is Hitchiti for Buzzard People. We really don't know what language Wara came from. It is a major Arawak ethnic name, and may indicated a Timucua or Arawak population in the Carolinas.

Richard Thornton Talamachusee (talk) 20:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC) Talamachusee is my screen ID

Please do not add unsourced information to this article. If you have alternate routes and criticisms of Hudson, provide a verifiable secondary source. Bms4880 (talk) 20:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)