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Progress report on assessment[edit]

Elizabeth Warren article.[edit]

There are some issues on the Elizabeth Warren article, with non-Native sources being used instead of Native ones. Conveniently, the non-Native sources claim Native heritage is "difficult to prove"... No, it's not. The Cherokee have kept excellent records, and Warren's ancestors are not on them. The immediate sources I have on this, though, are blogs. I know mainstream, WP:RS news outlets interviewed Cherokee people about this, and I thought those sources used to be in the article. However, there has been a POV, biased push to minimize or disappear this issue. Could use some eyes on this and help on sourcing.[1] - CorbieV 20:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh here we go again. That one was settled during the 2012 election. Montanabw(talk) 20:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Is Wohpe a Lakota goddess?[edit]

The only source for Wohpe is a New Age book. I'm struggling to source it. Dougweller (talk) 19:15, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Ah, it used be spelled 'Whope' and I can find sources for that.[2] User:Uyvsdi moved it to Wohpe saying it was the most common English spelling - but not in the sources I can see. Dougweller (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

"Revival" field in language infobox[edit]

If you enter a value for "revived" in the info box, it will now produce a "revival" field. It can be used in conjunction with "speakers" for revitalization efforts, and with "extinct" for reconstruction. I'm cleaning up articles that already mention revival in the info box, but I'm hoping that having a dedicated field for it will encourage more. — kwami (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Drastic Revamp of Lumbee[edit]

Lumbee is an article that is in dire need of trimming and cleanup. I have been mulling over what to do for the last 2 months with this article. It is very bloated with unsourced content and often contradictory information. I propose that a drastic cleanup take place in the form of complete deletion or trimming of all unsourced information. Though we might lose some good information, at its current state, this article is completely worthless. I brought it to the attention of the talk page, but want a WikiProject blessing on this first. Jcmcc450 (talk) 15:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll comment there. Montanabw(talk) 19:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Indian Chief[edit]

The primary topic of "Indian Chief" is under discussion, see Talk:Indian Chief (motorcycle) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Irataba FAC[edit]

The article Irataba is now at FAC: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Irataba/archive2. Rationalobserver (talk) 23:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested Move Indian Chief (motorcycle) needs input[edit]

There is an RM at talk:Indian Chief (motorcycle) that would benefit from input of this project.--Mike Cline (talk) 13:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Comanche[edit]

Seems to have a reasonable request. I don't see much about the Comanche culture in the article and I don't know anything about any festivals they might have or have had. Rmhermen (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Relevant move request(s)[edit]

There is a move request regarding the word "Indians" and the page Indians at Talk:Indian people‎ and Talk:Belizean people that members of this project may be interested in. (It's actually the same move request, introduced by two different editors in two different multi-moves.) Egsan Bacon (talk) 15:33, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Elizabeth Warren Native heritage RFC[edit]

Request for Comment:Talk:Elizabeth_Warren#RfC Native American Ancestry Controversy section. - CorbieV 17:32, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh god, not that again.... Montanabw(talk) 01:58, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Settlement of the Americas[edit]

I've raised an issue about possible OR at Talk:Settlement of the Americas and would appreciate comments, or at least eyes. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 14:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Menominee Tribe v. United States nominated for TFA[edit]

Menominee Tribe v. United States has been nominated for Today's Featured Articles, if interested, please visit and register your support or opposition to the nomination. GregJackP Boomer! 17:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Kennewick Man[edit]

See WP:RSN#Kennewick Man - using an unread book as a source. Dougweller (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Alex Jones says "tinfoil" is a trite, meaningless buzzword used by would be self declared "authorities" in an attempt to discourage or squelch further inquiry or discussion, as a substitute for their lack of substantive points. Would you be willing to comment further on your position here? 172.56.34.238 (talk) 20:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Nope. You are on your own, anon IP. Montanabw(talk) 21:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Would you like to explain your removal of an 'n' in Kennewick Man, and why your edit summary "Undid revision 657833984 by CBHA (talk) violation of wp:talk; this page strictly for improving article content" elsewhere doesn't apply to you comment here? Dougweller (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I'd say this drama needs to go elsewhere, and Doug, if you need it, there is always ANI. Montanabw(talk) 21:50, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
No, removing the n was unintentional. Thanks for fixing it! 172.56.34.238 (talk) 22:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


Peer review request[edit]

Lone Wolf v. Hitchcock has been submitted for peer review in preparation for a run at featured article. If you are interested, please go the the peer review page and help out. Thanks, GregJackP Boomer! 19:06, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Economy of the Iroquois FAR[edit]

I have nominated Economy of the Iroquois for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Mexica[edit]

Can someone please take a look at some recent edits.[3] These basically say the Mexica are the Aztec, which does seem to be a popular although incorrect view if [4] is correct. Dougweller (talk) 09:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

I've seen other stuff claiming they were the Toltecs. Sigh.... Montanabw(talk) 16:15, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Past-Tensing[edit]

Plains Indians needs cleanup. As it stands, most of the content has the Plains peoples only existing in the past. I've done some initial cleanup, but the whole article needs it. Oh, Karl May and Native Americans in German popular culture need work, as well. - CorbieV 00:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

This is a problem with dozens of articles tagged by IPNA, I'm all for working to put things in the present tense and advise boldness in doing so! Montanabw(talk) 17:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Yep, I'm being bold. I've updated lots of articles, but you know how it is when you open up one you've never seen before and it's a huge mess, as are all the articles linked from it. Here we go... ;) - CorbieV 19:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

And the IPNA ones are among the worst. One time I think I spent an entire wiki-day of my life just removing the overuse of "Chief." Sigh... Montanabw(talk) 22:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Care to review Draft:Lewis Mitchell? Thanks, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Naming conventions[edit]

Is there precedent for using a people's preferred name over the name in common use? Aleut is considered a slur by the folks that call themselves Unangan, yet that article is titled Aleut because it is in common use...73.169.242.214 (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

It's a hot topic, we had a similar discussion at Eskimo. Over there, because not all "Eskimo" people are Inuit, it sort of fizzled out. Does Unangan have a separate article? Montanabw(talk) 18:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)