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Progress report on assessment[edit]

Portal[edit]

I have added more content to the portal associated, and updated the excerpts on all the articles and some of the bios. I hope to have a "recognized content" section shortly (a bot will create it). We dont have a lot of GA/FA articles, and many of the B articles are not that great. but, we do have lots of good images.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I nominated Raven Tales for FA today. David Condrey (talk) 22:08, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

AfD[edit]

For your consideration: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Una Tribe of Mixed-Bloods - CorbieV 22:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Correction needed for semi-protected article[edit]

Recently Misty Upham (Actress of Blackfoot Tribe) was reported missing and then to have died. Media coverage states that her family have been very unhappy about the lack of support from the local police when she went missing. The article about her incorrectly states that the police found her body - the reference given does not support this and elsewhere in the media it is stated that the family organised the search which resulted in the discovery. The article is semi-protected so I cannot make the change. It seems a sentitive matter for both the family and the local community so it is important for it to be corrected. It can be stated that the police reported that the body had been found. I have left a message on the article talk page and for the original contributor. JDE (in UK)188.164.224.203 (talk) 18:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I added in the published statement by her family,[1] and will now review the other sources. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. - CorbieV 17:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
You are correct about that source. The police officer interviewed actually confirms that her body was found by a family member.[2] - CorbieV 17:27, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this. JDE188.164.224.203 (talk) 21:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Native Americans in the United States[edit]

Could really use some help cleaning up and sourcing Native Americans in the United States. - CorbieV 20:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Participants needed in this discussion:[edit]

See Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 12#“Native American” - the discussion needs to be better informed - eg I see statements such as " These people are American (nationality) before they are 'Native American' or 'African American' or anything else." Dougweller (talk) 18:40, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh gawd, not the ignroamus patrol again! Sheesh! Montanabw(talk) 03:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

lists of indigenous media/newspapers?[edit]

Somewhere there's a list of indigenous publications and media in Canada, I can't figure out its title or what category to look in; guess I'll look at APTN and see what cats branch out from there; wanted to add Ha-Shilth-Sa, Canada's oldest First Nations newspaper, see here.Skookum1 (talk) 05:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

See "List of First Nations periodicals".—Wavelength (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Hm, ok thanks.....d'ya think there's one on broadcast media/ notable webzines?Skookum1 (talk) 06:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Cherokee heritage groups[edit]

Cherokee heritage groups needs serious work. I don't have time to go through it thoroughly right now, but at first look, the article seems to be inaccurately conflating heritage groups (which can be anything from CNO Satellite Communities to fake tribes trying to get a casino) with cultural and medicine societies that exist within real tribal communities. I'll come back to it, but this could use more eyes on it. - CorbieV 23:32, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

RfC and page link fix[edit]

I have written a new lead section for the article List of sports team names and mascots derived from indigenous peoples and would appreciate some comments. The old lead was deleted entirely, and I did not notice. It was not that good anyway, being a rehash of the mascot controversy articles rather than an introduction to the list.

While placing wikilinks I wanted one for Native American genocide and found that it is a redirect to Demographic history of the indigenous peoples of the Americas, while there is an incorrectly title page Native American Genocide that redirects to Trail of Tears. Neither is inappropriate but is a confusion that needs fixing. FriendlyFred (talk) 00:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Two-Spirit Stuff[edit]

Most of the sourcing in Two-Spirit and Two-Spirit identity theory relies on anthropological accounts by non-Natives. Some of the info is completely inaccurate, however it's been repeated enough by anthros, all reading one another, that these same mistakes occur in multiple, university-level sources that would normally be considered WP:RS. This is a problem. The second article above needs serious cleanup, and whatever is salvageable and not already covered in Two-Spirit should probably just be merged there. I've been meaning to get to this since the Spring, but haven't had a chance yet. I'll try to get to it if no one else does, but these articles need help. Also linked in with these is the Cogender article, that I don't know what to do with. Usually these things get booted over to the LGBT wikiprojects, but these articles need Native (or at least Native-aware) attention. - CorbieV 23:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

The non-native-but-looks-RS problem exists for a lot of Native articles, my suggestion is to start by gathering sources you know to be accurate (you can even park them on the article's talk page) and then work on that. The best way to handle this stuff is to have footnotes up the wazoo. Montanabw(talk) 02:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Are we disqualified if we keep our footnotes somewhere else? because I am a native male who is not burdened by two spirits (like most folks, I only have one) and I don't keep anything there (mine is exit only)71.127.135.196 (talk) 12:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Unhelpful comment, using a colloquialism for humorous effect. Please read WP:RS and WP:V for details. Montanabw(talk) 00:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Native Warrior Society flag theft-pic re the Vancouver Olympics article.[edit]

Please see Talk:2010_Winter Olympics#Native Warrior Society flag UNDUE as illustration for the aboriginal opposition section. Few ideas fielded for alternatives, and suppression of a lot of political opposition and the controversies-fork article over time, on the grounds that it's not of global relevance. Not going there, as a discussion, just pointing out how little and how effectively distorted the perspective and context of the host nations. That's the wrong flag to have to represent the native opposition in BC. The NWS are in BC and have showed up with their flag before, e.g. at the Green Mountain protests/blockade post-Oka, and at a dozen others in recent times if I gave it some thought which and where, but it's not the native mainstream; a loose comparison would be to the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (the Maoist branch, there are others for Stalinists and Trotskyites; the CPC - no -ML - and Socialist Part of Canada) showing up faithfully at nearly any major demonstration.....all 37 out them out of a crowd of tens of thousands. Guess who gets hyped by the media making sure they have a picture of their banner. Same deal here, though unintentional but a reflection also of what's around in RS and in the Commons; I haven't looked at User:SaskatchewanSenator's usercontribs but kinda know what I'm gonna find, let's put it that way.

Don't know what's in Commons of maybe the Eagleridge demonstrations/arrests. #Harriet Nahanee, #Betty Krawczyk.Skookum1 (talk) 06:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I can assure you the media deal to hype a toothless group of 37 people out of ten thousand is sealed *behind closed doors*, but they remain a toothless group of 37 people though dont they? 71.127.135.196 (talk) 12:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I have refractored the unhelpful comment above. I think this conversation can continue over at the winder olympics page linked above. Montanabw(talk) 00:55, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
well, no, it's discussed in the Sun's editorial boardroom where the select the photo to go with the lead story. And yes, though they're not toothless they remain a group of 37 people; but they are not representative of the crowds of up to 150,000 that their group banner-photo was used to portray. Not like there's not a 'commie scare' agenda in a lot of BC' press...no, not at all [sarcasm]. The particular incident I'm referring to was the last and largest of the Solidarity Coalition "uprising" in 1983; the "behind closed doors" they were surrounding was a cabinet meeting in the Hotel Vancouver. But it still goes on (see Operation Solidarity, which was an offshoot, I think it has an article; sources for the Coalition are problematic; picking someone wacky or out of it or rabid to portray any group of protesters, or if the ML's or others like them show up make sure they're in the footage; someone colourful and ratings-oriented maybe; point is that the Native Warrior Society dudes who did that in Vancouver are not representative of the subject of the section in question; headline-grabbing yes, but "just four or five" instead of 37 "toothless" protesters.Skookum1 (talk) 14:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, the point is that inflammatory language here helps no one. And the Anon IP troll who made assorted inappropriate comments here seems to have gone on his or her way. So carry on...Montanabw(talk) 07:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Well no, in fact I am still here and following the conversation (there must be one born every minute to fall for that one) and I do NOT appreciate this gentleman Montanabw taking the liberty and arrogance to "refactor" my comment while labelling me a "troll" (very inflammatory language there) and simultaneously spewing, self-sanctimoniously, about "inflammatory language". Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are we Montanabw? 71.246.158.81 (talk)

Yeah, MBW, sure enough and no doubt it will continue. But I do have to ask, what does someone posting anonymously from Virginia in such hostile tones and harsh POV with an article on Canadian politics/natives? Never mind, I already know.....I guess it's a living.....Skookum1 (talk) 13:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Seen it a lot btw, on Canadian items in a similar contentious/attack style, from Kansas, Minnesota, Virginia, Utah...usually from a town with an M-I or similr economy; but then, they all are I suppose...Skookum1 (talk) 13:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
It's okay, we all share the same premise here that "Canada" is a legitimate entity... (no doubt this also explains your concern with Natives and First Nations) 71.246.158.81 (talk) 13:25, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Anonymous IP 71, are you trying to make any kind of point here or is it merely your intent to be a disruptive troll? Because you ARE being a disruptive troll. Your "toothless' comment above was racist in tone (implying that Native people have no teeth, a common racial slur linked to issues of poverty and social class) and your "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" violates WP:NPA. Skookum1, I have to say that you are being unnecessarily cryptic here, (M-I economy?) so would you explain what you are implying, either here or via email? As far as I can see, issues of Native people are not taken seriously, and though the USA does a poor job, Canada is, apparently, even worse about such matters at the moment. That said, it's not so much a deep dark conspiracy as just a good old boys business as usual. Montanabw(talk) 21:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
No, it's not a conspiracy...it's in-your-face fact. I'll email you today. and considering the title of this page, the non sequitur of the IP troll's further babble about "[my] concern with Natives and First Nations" is all too clear; that's what this page/wikiproject is for.....what his Virginian-origin views on either Canadian First Nations or the Vancouver Olympics have to do with anything is beside the point; dissemblers and provocateurs don't trade in logic, and field absurdities as if truth with alarming regularity. As if from a manual or script or guide; which is known, in fact, to be the case. Why American IPs make such negative/confrontational edits and comments on Canadian topics is not exactly a mystery.....who they are and who's behind them is not exactly secondary; but IMO if there's three successive garbage-posts like this then they should be permanently blocked, and their IP looked at for corporate or government origin.Skookum1 (talk) 05:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Most people around here are cognizant of the fact that "Canadians" feel perfectly at liberty to discuss American issues, but if anyone located in America pays attention to "Canada", why it's time to get out the blazing torches and go a-persecuting, to remind yourselves once again what useful and friendly guys you are? I already told you I am a native American, yet it has already been widely observed that it is always white homosexual activists in Canada who dominate all discussions of our welfare, and try to squelch out any of us speaking for themselves, automatically screaming "racism" because I used "toothless" as a synonym for their generally comical impotence and sword rattling. As if, being a homosexual. you are some kind of deity and tell everyone else what they may say or discuss. ROFL Nothing new here, and the planet keeps on spinning in the same direction as ever... 71.127.135.66 (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
What's different here is that this is Wikipedia, and unconstructive and pejorative comments of the kind you are making, which have no real relation to the context under discussion, and a harshly POV position reflective of a particular political culture (also present among Canadians, for sure, but equally unwelcome and out-of-place here) that has, point-blank, nothing to add to the issue at hand; instead you name-call us, cf. it has already been widely observed that it is always white homosexual activists in Canada who dominate all discussions of our welfare...As if, being a homosexual. you are some kind of deity and tell everyone else what they may say or discuss.. And now equating the "toothless" paradigm you fielded with "generally comic impotence and sword rattling about ... Canadian native peoples, once again. You are indeed nothing new, either on this sorry planet or within Wikipedia, but you will not be tolerated. Not by this homosexual (Montanabw is a woman but may be homosexual, I don't know) but just to satisfy you the discussion board that will see to dealing with your conduct probably includes some homosexuals, some of whom may also be toothless or have a sword collection (rather than a nice cabinet of guns like you may well do). 'Tis not any of us who are comically impotent - that you would be you, sir (madam?). Your hatred and open spite and racial/political bias is normal in news forums and blogs; it has no place in Wikipedia. And you have no reason to be here but as a place for you to enjoy typing out that spite and hate and try and sow confusion; you are at best cheap entertainment, soon to be deleted and more than likely blocked. Possible exposed, if your IP turns out to be government or corporate in origin. Yes, Canadians comments on American articles all the time, and vice-versa; but not consistently from IP addresses sowing hatred and POV bias unrelated to the topic; that your only connection to this page is your hatred for native peoples, as just stated, clearly means you don't expect to find support. Only someone to attack and degrade or insult. Whether for pay as for hobby, you have no place here. You are an armchair extremist, nothing more...Skookum1 (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Indian termination policy[edit]

I have been working on the Indian termination policy page and believe that I have mostly completed it. Would really appreciate any input. Do not know how to join a WikiProject. I am originally from Oklahoma and majored in native studies. In updating the page, I added two articles which are pending review, one on Tillie Hardwick and one on the Kansas Act of 1940. SusunW (talk) 01:20, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Joining the WikiProject is easy, just add your name here and then go have a look around WP:IPNA's subpages.Skookum1 (talk) 03:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I added my name. Find Wikipedia extremely difficult to navigate. The help pages were apparently written by programmers, as I usually cannot make head nor tails sense of how to do anything other than edit an article. SusunW (talk) 00:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Susun, ping me when you are ready to submit the articles or have submitted them; I'll do the review... AfC is where drafts go to die if you don't know someone...  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 18:46, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea how to ping you so hopefully just answering here will help. They are out there. One was submitted on the 14th, the other on the 19th. SusunW (talk) 00:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Samantha Nock - A Halfbreed's Reasoning for deletion[edit]

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Coast Salish defensive sites has been nominated for deletion[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coast Salish defensive sites.Skookum1 (talk) 08:15, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Indian Reservation Roads Program[edit]

Category:Indian Reservation Roads Program, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 19:57, 26 December 2014 (UTC)