Talk:China doll

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Did you know... that antique china dolls were predominantly made in Germany in the 1800s?

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Picture[edit]

This article does need a picture, but any porcelain doll or Chinese doll labelled a "china doll" is not the specific kind of German china doll this article deals with. The images in the about.com sources show some good examples: [1] [2] - they are a specific type of glossy, glazed porcelain doll, with really a rather distinctive look. I've looked through commons, flickr and picasa for any free images, but came up a blank. These dolls just aren't as popular as the more realistic matte bisque dolls. Siawase (talk) 09:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2 photos added. Both are German china dolls, however take care to not label all china dolls as German. Though the majority were made in Germany there was also large production across the border into Bohemia (Poland & Czechoslovakia) that new research is coming across. Many dolls previously thought to be German are not. In addition several other countries, Sweden, Norway, France and Denmark also produced these dolls.Bellsonherfingers (talk) 17:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced changes[edit]

Some changes to the years of production/popularity were made that haven't had a reference added: "approximately between 1840 and 1930, with the peak in popularity between roughly 1860 and 1870" is still sourced to about.com, but that's not what about.com says, so another stronger source would need to be added.
Also, this sentence: "The largest cloth bodied china dolls could be as much as 30" (76 cm) tall, and as small as 3" (7.5 cm)." I'm guessing came from coleman, but it'd be nice if a ref could be added for clarity.
I apologize for being sloppy in adding the ref tags when I first created the article, but doll articles are usually so low in traffic I didn't consider other editors coming around and adding more info. Entirely my mistake (live and learn) but I hope we can sort through the confusion. Siawase (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Main source for size range comes from my own extensive collection built up over 40 years. Smallest china shoulder head doll in collection is 3" tall. Largest is actually 34" tall, but more typically they cap at 30". Note the example image with ruler in photo, that is a huge head that would be about a 30" doll if on an appropriately dimensioned body.Bellsonherfingers (talk) 15:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The earliest known and identified china dolls were made by KPM with identified production dates in the 1840s. There are no known and identified china dolls prior to 1840s. See Ciesliks and other references sited. Coleman has extensive information on multiple porcelain factories that were still producing shoulder head dolls well into the 1930s. Thus that date range.Bellsonherfingers (talk) 15:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for editing "Beck and Gotschalck, Alt, Kestner and Hertwig" is that the name of the first cited company is Alt, Beck & Gottschalck. Alt is not the name of a separate company.Bellsonherfingers (talk) 03:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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