Talk:Cycling at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Qualification

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Women's American Qualification in Road Race[edit]

The official PDF from UCI shows that the American qualifying places for Women are from TBA championships to be held in 2012, not from the American Championships in 2011 (which it states are for Men only) E1tiger (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Road race (men's) qualification[edit]

I'm not sure if these numbers are accurate - I think that editors putting them in are being premature. Can I ask about the following in particular:

1. Where nations (such as Luxembourg and Ireland) which do not have as many ranked riders as they have potentially qualified, they do not get all their places (see special provision 1 of the qualification criteria). Now, provision 3 states "An NOC not reaching its athlete quota through the UCI WorldTour Calendar rankings (special provision no. 1) may obtain places up to the number of places it was unable to obtain in its respective tour". Does this mean that ranked riders on the Continental Tour can be added to make up the qualified riders, or does it mean that if a nation finished ranked in the top 15 of the World Tour, and in a qualifying position of the Continental Tour, that they can then use riders from the Continental Tour to make up their total. If it is the former, then Luxembourg only have 2 qualified riders and Ireland have 3; if it is the latter, then they have 5 and 4 each.

2. Provision 5 states that "Each NOC with an athlete in the 2011 final individual UCI WorldTour ranking will receive one place. Therefore, the NOCs qualified according to criterion n°1 will have their allocated quota reduced by one athlete, in the reverse order of the UCI WorldTour Calendar 2011 final ranking by nation". This applies to both Costa Rica and Slovakia: presumably, then, Kazakhstan and Denmark ought to lose a rider each?

To be honest, I think that editors entering these numbers have been hasty and have not applied all the rules. I'd be tempted to remove them until sources confirming allocations are available.... --Pretty Green (talk) 09:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the definitive version of the UCI document is in French: maybe that is less ambiguous. Otherwise, the usual UCI lack of clarity leaves us with the situation that, as PG suggests, waiting is better. It is unencyclopaedic to post our belief with an attitude of "we can change it later if we're wrong." Kevin McE (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following table is based on UCIs release pr 31.10.2011 [1]. Don't know the best way to include it in the article. --Pirker (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nation Road Race Time Trial
 Algeria 1 0
 Argentina 1 1
 Australia 5 2
 Austria 2 0
 Belgium 5 1
 Belarus 3 1
 Brazil 3 1
 Bulgaria 2 0
 Canada 1 1
 Chile 1 0
 Colombia 3 1
 Costa Rica 1 0
 Croatia 2 0
 Cuba 1 0
 Czech Republic 2 0
 Denmark 4 2
 Ecuador 1 0
 Eritrea 1 0
 Spain 5 2
 Estonia 1 0
 France 4 1
 Great Britain 5 2
 Germany 5 2
 Greece 1 0
 Guatemala 1 0
 Hong Kong 1 0
 Hungary 1 0
 Iran 3 1
 Ireland 3 1
 Italy 5 1
 Japan 2 1
 Kazakhstan 2 2
 South Korea 1 0
 Latvia 1 0
 Lithuania 2 1
 Luxembourg 2 1
 Morocco 3 1
 Malaysia 2 0
 Mexico 1 0
 Namibia 1 0
 Netherlands 5 2
 Norway 3 1
 New Zealand 2 1
 Poland 3 1
 Portugal 3 1
 Romania 1 0
 South Africa 1 0
 Russia 3 1
 Slovenia 3 1
 Serbia 2 0
  Switzerland 5 2
 Slovakia 1 0
 Sweden 1 1
 Turkey 3 1
 Ukraine 2 0
 Uruguay 1 0
 United States 5 1
 Uzbekistan 2 0
 Venezuela 3 1

I've taken a shot for the road race, applying the qualification procedures, including the special procedures. The only difference is that, in this list, Brazil has one more quota place than it should have. The way I understand the qualification procedures, the presence of four individual qualifiers in the Americas means that Brazil's quota should be reduced to 2. In the list above, this did not happen. Everything else seems to match perfectly. MrYIndeed (talk) 15:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff, well done. --Pretty Green (talk) 10:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rules too complicated for the UCI[edit]

Norwegian Cycling Federation did not understand why Norway only got 3 riders in the RR race (men). They wrote a letter to UCI and UCI replied that NCFs interpretation of the rules was the correct one and Norway should have 4 riders. Link (norwegian) I don't know if/how this affects other nations. Pirker (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering the same when compiling the list. The wording of the rules indeed seems to indicate that the Norwegians are right. Might be that they just deduct the extra spots from the tripartite places. Will look into this. MrYIndeed (talk) 20:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Turns out that a tripartite place is lost with a strict interpretation of the rules. Latvia falls out of the European rankings but retains its spot because it has ranked riders on the world tour. So one leftover place from the world tour is lost, which originally was turned into an invitation place. Still, better keep an eye open for some kind of official confirmation from the UCI. MrYIndeed (talk) 20:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "State of qualification of the 2012 Olympic Games of Road Cycling". UCI.

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