Talk:Dragon Ball Z season 1

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Requested move 16 November 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 07:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


– According to WP:TVSEASON, I decided to change the titles of the articles, because it is a bit absurd if there is already a list of episodes. But the user @Nihlus:, came to my discussion page asking to return the titles as they were before, claiming that there was no consensus to change the titles. And then in my defense I did not see that there was consensus to keep the titles as a list of episodes, but Nihlus answered this. The correct thing would be to let redirect everything as I am asking, and in any case it would be necessary to update each article of each season. Philip J Fry / talk 03:54, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Oppose: The pages are subtopics of List of Dragon Ball Z episodes, which contains transclusions of the information contained on these pages. There are lists of episodes, not season pages. Nihlus 04:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:LISTNAME. These are lists that are divided into seasons for easier management of the information and will never be anything nothing more than lists. Why lists of episodes are treated differently from other types of lists have always alluded me, but we shouldn't pretend that these are articles by giving them a name that implies that they are articles. —Farix (t | c) 12:17, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. See List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas as an example. ToThAc (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I see your points about how to reflect the current content. However, how would retaining the current, longer titles (as opposed to proposed, shorter ones) help benefit most readers as what WP:CRITERIA said what we editors are supposed to do? George Ho (talk) 02:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    @George Ho: Like I said, see List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas as a sufficient example, as it fits the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS guideline by having similarly grouped lists; List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas (700–799) is a sub-example of what I'm talking about. ToThAc (talk) 03:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    What does a list of roads have to do with a TV series?.--Philip J Fry / talk 06:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    It benefits the reader by letting them know that these are lists instead of articles. As lists, they are mostly complete, only missing home video release information and tiding up the language before they can be nominated for featured list. But by renaming the lists "Dragon Ball Z (season X)" you give the reader and other editors the impression that the lists are articles which are no where near ready to be featured anything because they are presumably "incomplete" because readers would expect more from an article than they would a list. So now that I answered your question, let me turn that question around. How does it benefit most readers to pretend that a list of episodes is an article? —Farix (t | c) 14:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    That question you asked doesn't affect how a page is titled, how a title can help navigate a reader into the right page, and what I was saying, though redirects are helpful as well. A reader can see "Show (season #)" and recognize that it's about one particular season of the series. Normally, a reader would care more about episode summaries if they want to be spoiled by comprehensive summaries, or a reader would decide to skim a page and read just the intro and/or other sections that do not spoil major plot points. The pages seem to be on or near the borderline of violating WP:NOTPLOT and/or WP:NOTDIRECTORY, regardless of whether the title remains or changes, but I hope I'm wrong about that. I just saw intros and list of episode summaries but nothing else (unless I overlooked Reception sections, which the "(Season 1)" page lacks). Even when I would "support" the multi-page proposal, I still have concerns about quality of the pages and rules being complied/applied. Some or many other season articles of older series suffer from similar or worse issues, like Hawaii Five-O (1968 TV series, season 1).

    If you want me to answer the question directly, in this case, a reader can decide whether to consider it an article or a list. Asking about "most readers" is speculation at best. However, if most readers decide that it's an "article", then it's an article that needs improvements. This isn't similar to List of Sailor Moon episodes (season 1) and List of Sailor Moon R episodes (redirected from Sailor Moon R), which also need quality improvements. George Ho (talk) 19:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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