Talk:Drisht

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 07:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Drivast → Drisht – This isn't so much as page rename as a problem with two slightly messy articles at inconsistent page names, but the page rename may help in sorting it out. The other article is Drisht Castle, a stub about the ruined medieval castle of Drivastum (Latin)/Drivast (Serbian)/Drisht (Albanian), to which 80% of the content of article Drivast refers, except that the usual geographical map, template, etc. on Drivast obviously refer to the modern Albanian-speaking village of Drisht (Albanian) at the foot of the hill where the ruins and archeological site of old Drivastum lie. Ideally the 80% which refers to the old ruined fortress and settlement needs cut-and-paste from the village stub to the ruined castle stub - old Drivast was physically next to the castle not the village. But before doing that bringing it to WP:RM to get input on whether the village and the ruins should have consistent names, and if so in Albanian or Serbian or Latin. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Will you please back up your proposal with sources and wikipedia policies?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re sources, I'm trusting those who participate to look for themselves. re MOS "consistent with related articles" In ictu oculi (talk) 00:30, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment
Drivast +Albania 34 results (3 wp)
Drisht + Albania 167 results (2 wp).--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 11:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All Drisht search results on the linked page are unrelated to the topic of the article. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Antidiskriminator, ZjarriRrethues has helpfully set the search to see the tail. What you're looking at is a tail which does include some noise, Nietzche for example. Go back to the earlier pages to see that ZjarriRrethues has conducted a correct search. This isn't really the issue, but obviously the modern Albanian name gets 10x as many GBhits since 1990 as the Serbian name:

Drivast 10x

Drisht 113x

In ictu oculi (talk) 00:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. It is 52 Drisht hits after deghosting, with most of hits refering to unrelated topic like Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per above. Also, why give a Serbian name to a village in Albania?--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 03:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong argument. There are hundreds of villages and other places in Albania which name is derived from Serbian language.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, Serbian users are going too far, shortening the medieval name of Drivastum to Drivast, and then presenting it as a 'Slavic' toponym. Majuru (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question:@Majuru: Will you please be so kind to present some arguments for your accusations, i.e. a list of "Serbian users" with diffs which prove that they "shortened the medieval name of Drivastum to Drivast" and "presented it as "Slavic" toponym"? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per WP:COMMONNAME. I checked the above presented GBS and concluded that majority of sources do use Drisht version.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Alternatively, merge[edit]

As an alternative to rename above, the three other interwikis only have a single article:

mk:Тврдина Дришт.. interwiki to the castle
sq:Kalaja e Drishtit.. interwiki to the castle
it:Drivasto.. interwiki to the village, but like en.wp actually about the castle

Maybe the 2 on en.wiki should be merged? The village is barely notable without the castle, beyond the completeness aspect of geo stubs. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. The village and the castle are two separate topics.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:06, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Antidiskriminator. If that's the case then en.wp has two articles on the castle and no articles on the village. See the problem? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Drivast article begins with: is a village

Drisht Castle article begins with: is a ruined castle

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]