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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read our article titling policy and our guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move, such as when a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or if the page to be moved is protected from moves. In these circumstances, administrator help is required to move a page. To request such help, please see Requesting technical moves.
  • A title may be subject to dispute, and discussion may be necessary in order to reach consensus. To place a formal request for a potentially controversial page move, please see Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. It is not always necessary to formally request a move in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users do not have the capability to move pages. They must request moves using this process.

Most move requests are processed by a group of regular contributors who are familiar with Wikipedia naming conventions, non-binding precedents, and page moving procedures. Requests are generally processed after seven days, although backlogs often develop. If there is a clear consensus after this time, or if the requested move is uncontroversial or technical, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the closer may choose to re-list the request to allow more time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus". For the processes involved in closing requests, performing moves, and cleaning up after moves, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. For a list of all processed moves, see Special:Log/move.

To contest a close, the Move review process is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]


Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]

Anyone can be bold and move a page without discussing it first and gaining an explicit consensus on the talk page. In line with BRD, if you consider such a move to be controversial, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you can not revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again without following the procedures laid out in Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]


The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling and capitalization), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete/revert the move, request it below.

{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in Uncontroversial technical requests, please move it to the Contested technical requests section below.
  • Alternatively, if the only obstacle to a technical move is another page in the way, you can request the other page be deleted. This applies for example if the the other page is a redirect to the current title of the article to be moved, a redirect with no incoming links, or an unnecessary disambiguation page with a minor edit history. If it has a single history line, see WP:Move over redirect instead. To request the other page be deleted, add the following code to the top of the page that is in the way:
{{db-move|<!--page to be moved here-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will list the undesired page for deletion under criterion for speedy deletion G6. If the page is a redirect, place the code above the redirection. For a list of articles being considered for uncontroversial speedy deletion, see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion.

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit]


Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, as this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

(To propose moving more than one page—for example, moving a disambiguation page in order to move another page to that title—see "Requesting multiple page moves" below.)

To request a single page move, create a new section at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, using this format:

== Requested move ==
{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The subject/headline field should be left blank; a section header named "Requested move" will be created automatically. If there have been previous move discussions on the talk page, use == Requested move xxxx == where xxxx can be the year if that is appropriate, or "2" for a second discussion. Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically.

As an alternative, you can click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and insert

{{subst:RMtalk|Proposed new name|Reason for move.}}

Leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template automatically creates the heading "Requested move 28 August 2014", along with a location for survey and discussion. Also note that the template must be substituted. The template will automatically include your signature.

Note: Unlike certain other request processes on Wikipedia, nominations should not be neutral. Strive to make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and make reference to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the policy on disambiguation and primary topic. After the nomination has been made, nominators may nevertheless add a separate bullet point to support their nomination, but should add "as nominator" (for example,  * '''Rename, as nominator''': ...). Most nominators, however, simply allow the nomination itself to indicate what their opinion is. Nominators may also participate in the discussion along with everyone else, and often should.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

== Requested moves ==
{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please default to Google Books or Google News Archive before providing any web results. Do not sign this.

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.


Relisting of a discussion moves the request out of the backlog (or wherever it is in the queue) up to the current day.

Relisting of a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. Preferably, a reason for the relist will be given, to help focus further input. Relisting does imply another seven days of discussion. A relisted discussion, if over seven days old, or if revealing a consensus, may be closed at any time by another uninvolved experienced editor.

To relist a move request discussion, simply type <small>'''Relisted'''. ~~~~</small> before the initial requester's first timestamp (see this diff for an example), or the previous relisting comment. This gives the request a new timestamp which RMCD bot will use as the date to relist the entry on the requested moves project page. This can also be done by using {{subst:relisting}}, which also signs it automatically.

If the discussion has become stale, or seems that it would benefit from the input of more editors, do not simply relist, but consider more widely publicising the discussion. Some editors will notify at least one relevant WikiProject of the discussion. The template {{RM notification}} could be useful for this. These WikiProjects can often be found by means of the banners placed at the top of many articles' talk pages.

Current discussions[edit]

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format.

August 28, 2014[edit]

August 27, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Global warming controversyClimate change debate – I assume that Debate hits more the bullpoint than controversy. I first dont agree with the useless nature/social distinction made between "science" (we know its settled exempt a small Gaulian village) and public opinion or policy (which dares to deny or not to care). As Reiner Grundmann has pointed out, "climate change as a long term issue requiring more public involvement and debate, not less". Climate change is a Science, technology and society (STS) phenomenem and all aspects combined are being scholarly covered. That said, were better off if we accept that climate change happens and the most important partis belongs to the Debate over most effective response to climate change (not warming as now in the rather outdated article). This has, on first hand nothing to do with scientists opposing the mainstream, as still being connoted in Global_warming_controversy#Debate_over_most_effective_response_to_warming. The debate, and its a hot one, is about what conclusions are being drawn, globally or regionally, from climate change and whos to take burdens, profits and loss. Serten (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Arthur D. LevinsonArt Levinson – Google Trends indicates that "Art Levinson" is the common name, as it has earned at least a score of 10 for search interest since November 2010, whereas "Arthur D. Levinson" hasn't (some months even have a score of 0). "Art Levinson" has a regional interest section on Google Trends, while "Arthur D. Levinson" does not, and it even says for the latter, "Not enough search volume to show results." WikiWinters (talk) 22:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Group hugGroup hug (website) – The obscure website should be moved so that the term can redirect to Hug; the brief mention of the term "group hug" can be expanded on there. bd2412 T 17:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MRT 2 (TV channel)MRT 2 – These pages were originally located at the target move names, until around yesterday when PhilippineRevolution (talk · contribs) moved the pages without a discussion to MPT 2 and MPT 2 Sat stating "real acronym based on official logo" and "official name and acronym used in the logo". The user also moved other Macedonian Radio Television related pages from "MRT..." to "MPT..." citing the same reason, to which have been moved back.As per the guidelines at WP:UE; "Names not originally in a Latin alphabet, such as Greek, Chinese, or Russian names, must be transliterated." Since the Macedonian language primary uses Cyrillic, "Македонска радио телевизија" (МРТ) would be correct in Cyrillic, but transliterated "Makedonska radio televizija" (MRT).  [[ axg //  ]] 12:43, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)German ClasicoDer Klassiker – As far as I know the rivalry between BVB and FCB is called Der Klassiker, with sources including FIFA, Bundeliga, and many pundits in football addressing it with the aforementioned name. Sources are as follows. While the term German Clasico is not seen in such respective sources, but more as a reference to (or/and) comparing to the 'El Clasico' in Spain. (Supercup Clash addressed as Supercup Klassiker [1]) (FIFA article reffering to the clash between the teams [2]) (Bundeliga Official Youtube Channel [3]) S1028 (talk) 11:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nir BitonNir Bitton – Quite a strange one here. Despite spelling his name with a single t last year, Celtic's official website now lists him as Nir Bitton (see here). He also has his name displayed as Bitton on the back of his shirt. Don't know why this change has occurred but given most news sources are now spelling it Bitton (1, 2, 3), I assume the page should be moved. Username of a generic kind (talk) 08:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BardyllisBardylis – As shown by the previous section, the name of this person is mostly spelled with one "L" and not two. Zoupan 08:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SooyoungChoi Soo-young – This name should be given in the same format as band leader Kim Tae-yeon, which has been freshly confirmed. The issues are the same here. When the subject is representing her band, her name is generally given as "Girls' Generation Sooyoung." This may be the most common form of her name, but it is unencyclopedic. This proposal would put her name in our standard format for Korean names. (See here ) The subject has a significant acting career, and in this context she is referred to in the proposed form: (See HanCinema.) She did a cameo of herself as a singer in this TV show. So the credit is "Choi Soo-young" and she is described as playing the character "Girls' Generation Soo-young." Soo-young is a common name in Korea, not a Madonna-style mononym identified with a single individual. Here are two examples of JoongAng using the proposed form: [1], [2]. Pinging the participants in the previous discussion: TerryAlex, DragonFury, Jaewon, Sawol. Clodhopper Deluxe (talk) 04:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

August 26, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Beit RasCapitolias – The article is about the ancient city of Capitolias, not about the unimportant present-day village of Beit Ras. Esoglou (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Internet Party and MANA MovementInternet Party and Mana Movement – "Mana" is a Māori word. It is not an acronym. Placing "Mana" all in capital letters is the organisation's stylistic preference that varies from standard English capitalisation. WP:TRADEMARK applies to "words and short phrases used by organizations and individuals to identify themselves and their products and services", and directs us to "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official". As the Internet Party and Mana Movement is an organisation, WP:TRADEMARK applies, and standard English capitalisation should be used. The organisation's preference for all-caps would be indicated int he lead paragraph of the article. Ground Zero | t 15:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Marian PaharsMarians Pahars – The correct name of the individual is Marians, not Marian. Marians is the subject's correct, legal given name and still used by him. Although his name may have been Anglicized by the foreign press, his proper name is Marians (as all Latvian masculine given names end in 's') and he currently lives and works in Latvia. Simply because the press has effectively given him a new name or truncated his actual name, shouldn't be acceptable that Wikipedia follows suit and refers to him by that name. His Latvian Wiki page also refers to him as Marians. Also, I do not believe this would be a very controversial move, as "Marian Pahars" would still redirect to "Marians Pahars." ExRat (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nelson Frazier, Jr.Nelson Frazier – There is Nelson-Frasier Furniture (currently J.A. Byrd Mercantile Store), but I believe that "Nelson Frazier" is precise enough for this wrestler. The "Jr." is not necessary at this point. I'm not proposing ring names, as those names have been. These ring names are too competitive, so the birth name (with or without "Jr.") should be given the Sean Combs-treatment. George Ho (talk) 00:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

August 25, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)HomeschoolingHome Education – Home education redirects to this homeschooling article, but it should be the other way around as home education is the term with the wider meaning. Home schooling is but one form of home education. Apart from home schooling there are other forms of home education such as ustructured and autonomous. The term homeschooling is used predominantly in the US and Canada - and used errorneously to mean home education by those who don't know the difference - while the term home education is used in most of the rest of the world. Besides, we already have a "Homeschooling in the US" article that covers the article title policy. Meat and 2 veg (talk) 20:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Brain DamageBrain damage (disambiguation) – The primary topic of this page is Brain damage. Therefore, capitalization of the second word of the page name (damage) is incorrect. There are pages where the word is capitalized as part of the title of something, but those pages are not about the primary topic. We need a title with (disambiguation) in it, to distinguish this disambiguation page from the primary page. -- Tryptofish (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)RossiyaneRussian citizens – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH, this should be moved to Russian citizens, Citizens of Russia, People of Russia, or Russian people. The conception of Russianness in Russian (rossiyane vs. russkiye) is an important one, and perhaps there should be an article specifically about it. But the word rossiyane is not English. It is almost always italicized, used for explanation or to gloss translations, and almost never actually used in English, and is not naturalized in English grammar (i.e. has no English singular/plural form). It is not in English dictionaries, and would not be understood by the vast majority of readers. See relative frequency in Google Ngram. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)  Michael Z. 2014-08-17 17:19 z 17:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Like a Virgin (book)Like a Virgin: How Science Is Redesigning the Rules of SexWP:SUBTITLES was cited as reason for changing to the current title. However, the guideline doesn't say much about whether to use "(book)" or the subtitle. Omission of either is obviously out of option because... you have Madonna's album and song of the same name. Moreover, the current title misleads others into assuming that Madonna wrote the book, Like a Virgin: <something something>. Yes, searching the proposed title in Google leads to bigger results, but the long title is not well-remembered by journalists who used it. Journalists must have copied-and-pasted the title for their articles on their computers. You can try "like a virgin book", but the more effective search term is "like a virgin aarathi Prasad". Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2014 (UTC) --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 16:32, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)August 2013 Rabaa MassacreRabaa and Nahda massacre – I have informed Jenks24 (who closed the previous RM) about my intention to start this request and I believe I have a green light for it.[3] Since the word massacre will obviously never be replaced in the title, I believe it is fair enough to at least make it factual and accurate per the first and second move discussions. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Western Pomerania → ? – This article is about only one, arguably not the most important, meaning of the term. It may be better to change the title and place the disambig here, as Western Pomerania is not faithful translation of German Vorpommern. The WP:NC(GN) rules applies here, just as in Pomerelia (formerly Eastern Pomerania). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC) --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Propositum (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Human swimmingSwimming – I can't shake the feeling that when people look up "swimming" they are thinking about the human activity. I grant that many links intend the sport of swimming, but the sport is a subtopic of the human activity of swimming. By comparison, Running is a primary topic article on the activity (generally), and there is a whole family of articles on competitive running events like Middle-distance running. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC) bd2412 T 22:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Erhai LakeErhaiWP:NCPLACE: "Rivers, lakes and mountains often include the word River, Lake or Mount in the name; national conventions and idiom should be followed in this matter... For many countries the additional word is used when needed for disambiguation purposes, but is otherwise omitted: compare Jade (river) or Achelous River (which require disambiguation) with Rhine (which does not)." The national convention in China is to call it "Erhai", that's it. The "hai" part means "Sea", and if you scroll above and read the previous move proposal you'd see that some people believe that "Erhai Lake" is a tautology. WP:ZH-NC#Place Names specifies "Avoid tautologies." The problem is avoided by removing the word "Lake". Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 19:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Astorga, SpainAstorga – The primary meaning of Astorga is the Spanish city. No other item on the disambiguation page is known as just "Astorga" besides the Brazilian place, which is not nearly as notable. User:Vivaelcelta changed "Astorga" from a long-standing redirect to the Spanish city recently and has been disambiguating links to it. I am proposing this move as a better solution. If it doesn't have support, then the disambiguation page should be moved to the proposed title (now again a redirect). Srnec (talk) 12:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Birtha (Commagene)Birtha (Osrhoene) – The old name was based on the mistaken information in an 1845 source unanimously contradicted by more modern sources. Both sides are represented in the present provisional text, which will have to be rewritten in harmony with the proposed new title. A simpler remedy would perhaps be to merge this article into that on Birecik. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:58, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Esoglou (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wolverine in other media → ? – The current title is incredibly ambiguous, especially given the fact that the current primary topic for the term "wolverine" is the animal, not the comic book character. However, I'm not sure what to rename the page ... but it would have to be something less ambiguous than the current one. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Transport in CanadaTransportation in Canada – Opening a new discussion since the other ones are long in the coffin. I think that there is compelling evidence that the common English-language usage in Canada is in fact "transportation in ___" rather than "transport in ___." Previous commenters appear to have confused this with the fact that official government usage appears to be the latter, but that is independent of its usage in common parlance and literature. Even government bodies themselves, such as Stats Canada [4][5] and Citizenship and Immigration Canada[6] refer to "transportation." A Google search shows half the results for "transport in" than for "transportation in" on .ca domains. If you look at the former, it is populated by articles talking about technical things, such as "electron transport" in chemistry, or "calcium transport" in anatomy, not vehicular transportation. For this reason, I propose it be moved to "Transportation in Canada." Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC) - SweetNightmares 03:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SfogliatelleSfogliatella – There is no reason why we should use the plural form, which also in the literature and in the article is recognised as such. If this were an americanism, then it should be used and declined using the singular verb (e.g. "Sfogliatelle is a cake"), but this is not the case, so it is implicit that the singular form sfogliatella is known also in english. Alex2006 (talk) 09:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nottingham Subscription LibraryBromley House Library - Nottingham – The name of this establishement has been changed for some time. A new web site has been created with the domain name - confusion is now caused to users beacause when a Google Search for "bromley house" is carried out the left hand side of the results shows reference to Bromley House Library and the web site (which is correct) but the right hand side of the search results shows the Wikipedia entry which is currently titled "Nottingham Subscription LIbrary". You will note that the body of the Wikipedia entry has alrady been ammended to refer to Bromley House Library. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 08:58, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Europrima (talk) 16:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)McLean School of MarylandMcLean School – The School has rebranded and would like to be referred to as McLean School from now on. They will no longer go by McLean School of Maryland. This rebrand goes into place on Friday and wanted this page and the related google searches to reflect these changes. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 08:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Rhgross (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

August 24, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Nassau, BahamasNassau – Obvious primary topic. There is nothing of note on the disambiguation page that is anything but a partial title match except for the historic German city/duchy/area (population: 5,209; pageviews: 529 a month; historical impact: minimal - stats for the duchy are not much different) or the capital of the Bahamas (population: 248,948; pageviews: 28,476 a month; historical impact: highly significant). I daresay that if a capital city in a country full of white people had a quarter of a million people and was far more commonly referred to in academic sources (as compared to just about anything else), it would get primary topic over a smaller if very historic area in an island country. But the Bahamian city currently doesn't, and I'm forced to wonder why. Let's fix this problem of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, Wikipedia. Over 2,000 people a month are delayed from finding out information by getting to this disambiguation page instead of the page that both common sense and pageview statistics tell us that they want. Red Slash 18:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)LatrodectusWidow spider – There was a sizable debate a few years ago regarding the renaming of the article "Black widow" that ended in a "No consensus" outcome. However, that discussion never considered moving this article into the namespace "Widow spider", which is also given as a synonym in the lead paragraph and is an accepted common name for these species of spider. This request, then, is to move Latrodectus to Widow spider in accordance with the Manual of Style policy given at WP:COMMONNAME. KDS4444Talk 07:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

August 23, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Mental rayMental Ray – A recent edit removed this article's lower-case-heading status, and converted (almost) all uses of "mental ray" to "Mental Ray", with reference to MOS:CAPS. Assuming this change was correct (which it does seem to be), the article should be moved to "Mental Ray"—but that already exists as a redirect to this article (with edit history, so even if it were uncontroversial, I couldn't make the move myself). Perey (talk) 16:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Magnifier (Windows)Microsoft Magnifier – This move request is being made per WP:NATURAL with the following specific reasoning:*That page states: "Natural disambiguation: If it exists, choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names."*Further down on the same page: "Parenthetical disambiguation: If natural disambiguation is not possible, [...]" Clearly, natural disambiguation (used by the proposed title) takes precedence over parenthetical disambiguation (used by the current title).*The proposed name is clearly not made-up, as it has multiple citations from different sources right in the article itself.*Furthermore, it cannot be classified as obscure as the name is used by multiple reliable sources, including multiple independent ones (note that this is actually the much more stringent test for notability!) and is also very likely to be entered as a search term because of Microsoft's tendency to put its company name in front of its product names in general.*Finally, as far as the nominator is aware, there is no more appropriate name that could be used as the title instead and that would meet the preceding criteria.Therefore, in the view of the nominator, this move must be performed per policy. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 02:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

August 22, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Neo-impressionismNeo-Impressionism – Both encyclopedic and specialist publications write it the same: Encyclopedia Britanica, as well as The Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Museum of Modern Art in New York write Neo-Impressionism with capital letters (rather than Neo-impressionism). A search of the relevant literature produces the same result, see Google Books by Floyd Ratliff (1992) Paul Signac and Color in Neo-Impressionism, Russell T. Clement, ‎Annick Houzé (1999) Neo-Impressionist Painters: A Sourcebook on Georges Seurat, Camille Pissarro, Martha Ward (1996) Pissarro, Neo-Impressionism, and the Spaces of the Avant-Garde, John Gary Hutton (1994) Neo-Impressionism and the Search for Solid Ground: Art, Science, and Anarchism in Fin-de-siècle France, Catherine Bock-Weiss (1977) Henri Matisse and Neo-Impressionism, 1898-1908. And the list goes on... Coldcreation (talk) 22:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Draft:ContainerContainer – I have drafted this WP:PRIMARY TOPIC article to replace the current largely WP:DABCONCEPT disambiguation page. The container, conceptually, is one of the most important inventions in all of human history, making it possible to store and transport food. This is up there with fire and the wheel. Containers are ubiquitous, but so ingrained in our in our lives that we barely notice or think of their importance. This article addresses the need for recognition of the basic concept. Since there are a few meanings of "container" that are unrelated to physical objects made for containing other physical objects, the disambiguation page will continue to exist at the "(disambiguation)" title. bd2412 T 20:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Igor pasternakIgor Pasternak – The history is a little complicated, as it appears that Sehhollins previously created this article with a lowercase p, then Smileguy91 moved it to Igor Pasternak on August 1, then Igor Pasternak was changed to a redirect to Worldwide Aeros Corp. Then on August 13, Sehhollins came back here to the lowercase-p location and re-created the article with more content. I'm not sure if the best remedy is to move this over the top of the capital-p one, or copy-paste this there and change this back to a redirect. Nick Number (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Bloke (word)Bloke – I proposed this move two years ago, the year of the article's creation, yet it was unsuccessful because the time was too wrong to tell whether the word is the primary topic. Right now, the only "Bloke"s we have are Municipality of Bloke (Slovenia) and Bloke (comics). None surpass the historical significance and popularity of the slang word "bloke", and popularity of the word is rising in Wikipedia (no stats needed, right?). I tried finding other "bloke"s; there is no other. Therefore, the word shall be primary topic. George Ho (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

August 21, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Florence May ChadwickFlorence Chadwick – She is universally known as Florence Chadwick and is so named in virtually every reference. This article was originally (2004) named Florence Chadwick. In 2009 the article was moved to Florence May Chadwick without explanation or discussion; a comment on the talk page shows that there were objections, but they came too late since the article was already moved. The middle name is not needed for disambiguation since there is no other Florence Chadwick. Virtually every "what links here" link goes to the redirect page Florence Chadwick, not to this article Florence May Chadwick. I request that the redirect page Florence Chadwick be deleted so that this article can be moved back to that name. MelanieN (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tomi JurićTomi Juric – Sorry to bring another one to RM but my move of a week or so ago has just been reverted and I thought it better to start a RM rather than move warring. My argument remains the same as at Talk:Matthew Spiranovic and a few others – he's born in Australia and notable for his exploits as an Australian where his name is officially "Juric" (as far as I am aware you cannot have the "ć" character on birth certificates, passports, driver's licenses, etc. in Australia). And obviously this is how he most commonly referred to by reliable sources, though I know plenty of people don't consider that grounds enough for moving by itself. Jenks24 (talk) 12:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Swordswoman Riding West on White HorseWhite Horse Neighs in the Western Wind – The current title is used by the 2009 book, but there are no other reliable sources. This article was created in 2006, so probably we should stick to older sources that use different English title. The proposed English title is seldom used, as well. Nevertheless, it stays true to the original title (白馬嘯西風). Two sources use the proposed title; however, one uses indefinite article ("A") and other uses definite article ("The"). I will not encourage using either; ugh... the memories of Talk:Trollhunter. The following guidelines (WP:NC-ZH, WP:NCUE, and WP:NC-B) encourage romanized titles, but the pinyin title that I proposed was not well-supported. These guidelines also encourage commonly-used titles, but neither English title is commonly used. Worse, the novel has not yet been officially published in English. WP:UE (policy) encourages pinyin implicitly, but, again, pinyin title was not well-supported. If you are reading this, I may be oblivious on which policy or guideline applies. However, if no related rule is found, then let's apply WP:IAR, okay? Relisted Calidum Talk To Me 02:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wilmington-Philadelphia Regional AirportNew Castle Airport – The official name is the New Castle Airport, all signage on the site says New Castle Airport, and the Delaware River & Bay Authority which owns and operates the airport refers to it only as the New Castle Airport. Examples from the official New Castle Airport webpage (also note the web address maintained by the official operators of the airport, Delaware River & Bay Authority, make several references to the "New Castle Airport." "Located just five miles south of Wilmington, Delaware, and only a 25-minute drive from Center City Philadelphia, New Castle Airport is ideally situated for tenants who range from major corporations to individual owners of aircraft.""New Castle Airport should be on your radar screen as a great place for your business.""Check back here, or stop by the field itself, to keep up-to-date on the exciting changes and activities at New Castle Airport." All references to the airport on the website refer to it by it's correct name, "New Castle Airport."On the official website of the Delaware River & Bay Authority (, the bi-state government agency established by the states of Delaware and New Jersey and charged with operating the New Castle Airport, the airport is referred to in their list of facilities as the New Castle Airport.Recent news articles reffering to the New Castle Airport include: - Frontier begins new flights at New Castle Airport - Frontier Airlines celebrates 1-year at New Castle Airport - Frontier plans seasonal flight suspensions at New Castle AirportArea businesses such as Budget Car Rental identify their proximity to New Castle Airport: Location Name: Budget New Castle Airport Car RentalAdditional Location Information: Budget makes Airport Car Rentals at New Castle Airport a breeze!Quality Inn & Suites Skyways: pet-friendly hotel is ideally located near many area points of interest, which include: •New Castle AirportEcono Lodge Hotel Lodge Airport hotel near the New Castle Airport Relisted Calidum Talk To Me 02:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Superman7515 (talk) 01:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anti-Nebraska PartyAnti-Nebraska movement – It was really more of a loose movement than a formally-organized party; when it became a party, it was called the Republican Party. In fact, the whole point of the original movement was that it allied people of various political opinions who were not necessarily ready to renounce their previous party affiliations... Relisted Calidum Talk To Me 02:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC) AnonMoos (talk) 06:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)U.S. Cellular FieldComiskey Park – According to many sources, the sponsor deal was to last from 2003 to 2012. The deal has expired and therefore it should naturally revert to its orginal name. Rt31914 (talk) 22:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wang Jian (cellist)Jian Wang (cellist) – The entire article refers him as Jian Wang. Most links to the page are also to Jian Wang (cellist) rather than to Wang Jian (cellist). The external links (all dead) also all use "Jian Wang". The move in 2010 was probably undiscussed. Timmyshin (talk) 22:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Albanians in KosovoAlbanians of Kosovo – This article is about Albanians who were either born in Kosovo or Albanians who have strong connections to Kosovo, for example a lot of Kosovo-Albanians no longer reside in Kosovo (therefore they are not in Kosovo) and many were born outside of Kosovo (such as Germany and Switzerland) to ethnic-Albanian parents from Kosovo. For this reason I believe the title "Albanians of Kosovo" would be a more appropriate title as a significant amount of Kosovo-Albanians aren't actually in Kosovo as the current article title would suggest. This is a technical requested move based on the wording of the title in relation to the article content. IJA (talk) 19:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Zaza peopleZaza Kurds – The article keeps getting vandalised by people that claim Zazakis aren't Kurds. Therefore I propose that the name of the article should be changed to Zaza Kurds. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC) --Ahmetyal (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of people who were beheadedList of people who were decapitated – This list includes both people who were executed or murdered by decapitation, and also people who suffered accidental or posthumous decapitation. The word beheading refers most properly and specifically to executions or other intentional homicides; see my comments at Talk:List of people who were beheaded, as well as the lead section of the Decapitation article. IMO, either the existing instances of accidental or posthumous decapitation should be removed from this list, or else it would be best to rename the list to reflect the fact that editors want it to include more than just "beheadings". Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 07:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC) — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 03:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Love Eterne (film)Love Eterne – The Hong Kong film is known in English as The Love Eterne (as can be seen from the poster on that page) with the word "The", so the two films have different English titles. The two pages already reference each other in hatnotes, so disamiguation is unnecessary (not to mention inaccurate and confusing). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 04:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Gratis versus libreFree (word) – Despite the fancy name, what this article really is about is the word itself. Wikipedia explicitly allows articles about words when there is more to say about it than its definition, and that is certainly true of free despite (or maybe because of) the ambiguity. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Al-HasakahHasaka – Common English name:*Hasaka 110*al-Hasaka 23Also removing the article "al-" from transliterated Arabic proper names is a common practice, e.g. al-Iraq -> Iraq, al-Sudan -> Sudan, etc. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Kathovo talk 09:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ultra high definition televisionUltra-high-definition television – Now that we have let the article rest for a year and a half at a hyphenless title that nobody requested but that the closer preferred, it's time to give it another try to convert it to a more parsable normal English punctuation. If you review the previous 3 RMs you'll find that this kind of hyphenation is very common in sources, as are the two confusing partial hyphenations. Why not give the reader a hint, and do it right? Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Dicklyon (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)National Parliament of Solomon IslandsNational Parliament of the Solomon Islands – First off, I know that the official name of this body is "National Parliament of Solomon Islands", without the "the". I think that is an uncontroversial point. We know that we generally use the common name as opposed to the official name. It's nice when they are the same. The common name here might include the "the". I've done some google searches on this, but I keep getting widely divergent results when I repeat the searches—so I'm not sure about this, but I wanted to throw it out there for discussion at least and for others to consider the results that they get. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Moral rights (copyright law)Moral rightsWP:TWODABS page with a clear primary topic. There is only one article that is actually a title match to "Moral rights" and it is this one, which also happens to be the overwhelming usage in Google results for the term (about ten to one, by my quick review of the top few pages of results). "Natural" rights are important, but are generally called "Natural" rights rather than moral rights. Any confusion can be dispelled with a hatnote. bd2412 T 03:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anthony Rizzo (baseball)Anthony Rizzo – I suggest deleting the disambiguation page. In the past 30 days the filmmaker has 112 views and the baseball player has 10,000. There may be some recentism, but still, the baseball player is a clearly established star. Hoops gza (talk) 03:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Michel Larocque (ice hockey, born 1952)Michel Larocque – There are only two subjects by this name; this one, who had a lengthy hockey career with multiple teams, involving multiple Stanley Cup wins; and another one who's sole claim to notability is that he played three games - not three seasons, three games - in the NHL. The player born in 1952 is the clear primary topic of this term by historical importance. The WP:TWODABS disambiguation page is not needed, and should be obliterated. bd2412 T 20:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Template:Tlf → [[:Template:Tnf]] – This template doesn't include a link, so name shouldn't include the "l" (lowercase "L") from "Template [l]ink"..? (Offering "tnf" as meaning "[t]emplate name in [n]ormal [f]ont") Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tarn (lake)Tarn – This appears to be the primary topic for "Tarn" as it is a well known form of lake in the English-speaking world and one of only 3 articles listed at the current disambiguation page (Tarn) that does not need a qualifier such as "Mount", "Crag", etc or a first name or surname in the case of people. The other options are the French department and French river which I suspect are far less well known. This is borne out by the viewing stats in Aug 2014: Tarn (lake) - 1140; Tarn (department) - 559; Tarn - 173 and Tarn River - 101. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC) Bermicourt (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Template:Tlc → [[:Template:Tcode]] – As this template (Template:Tlc) doesn't include a link, should its name include the "l" (lowercase "L") from "template [l]ink"..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nike+iPodNike+ – It has changed name since the release of the Android app and on the website it is marketed as Nike+ or Nike plus. The WP page for Nike+ is a redirect to the current one. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC) Torqueing (talk) 09:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The BahamasBahamas – As per WP:THE, "If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the page name. Otherwise, do not." In this case the WP:COMMONNAME does not usually contain a capitalized "The".According to Google Ngram Viewer (which is case sensitive) [8], roughly 61% of the time an uncapitalized "the" is used, 12% of the time a capitalized "The" is used, and 27% of the time no "the" is used. (Note that the capitalized "The" figure will be an overestimate as it includes capitalizations due to "The" starting a sentence.)A survey of recent sources finds that most major media publishers do not capitalized "The": BBC, Guardian, NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, Miami Herald, CBC, Toronto Star. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 05:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC) TDL (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Branko BuljevićBranko Buljevic – Following on from Talk:Matthew Spiranovic#Requested move I've been steadily going through Category:Australian people of Croatian descent and renaming to remove the accents. Haven't run into any objections so far, but I thought I should probably bring this one to RM because, unlike in the majority of cases, Buljevic was actually born in Yugoslavia and played one senior match in the Yugoslav First League before moving to Australia aged about 20. However, I still think the article should be renamed because he spent the vast majority of his career playing in Australia (where obviously he was referred to without the accent) and played for Australian national team 30 times, including at a World Cup, and so should follow what I would consider to be the naming conventions of other notable Australian sportspeople. Jenks24 (talk) 13:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC).


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