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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read our article titling policy and our guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move, such as when a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or if the page to be moved is protected from moves. In these circumstances, administrator help is required to move a page. To request such help, please see Requesting technical moves.
  • A title may be subject to dispute, and discussion may be necessary in order to reach consensus. To place a formal request for a potentially controversial page move, please see Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. It is not always necessary to formally request a move in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users do not have the capability to move pages. They must request moves using this process.

Most move requests are processed by a group of regular contributors who are familiar with Wikipedia naming conventions, non-binding precedents, and page moving procedures. Requests are generally processed after seven days, although backlogs often develop. If there is a clear consensus after this time, or if the requested move is uncontroversial or technical, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the closer may choose to re-list the request to allow more time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus". For the processes involved in closing requests, performing moves, and cleaning up after moves, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. For a list of all processed moves, see Special:Log/move.

To contest a close, the Move review process is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]


Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]

Anyone can be bold and move a page without discussing it first and gaining an explicit consensus on the talk page. In line with BRD, if you consider such a move to be controversial, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you can not revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again without following the procedures laid out in Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]


The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling and capitalization), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete/revert the move, request it below.

{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in Uncontroversial technical requests, please move it to the Contested technical requests section below.
  • Alternatively, if the only obstacle to a technical move is another page in the way, you can request the other page be deleted. This applies for example if the the other page is a redirect to the current title of the article to be moved, a redirect with no incoming links, or an unnecessary disambiguation page with a minor edit history. If it has a single history line, see WP:Move over redirect instead. To request the other page be deleted, add the following code to the top of the page that is in the way:
{{db-move|<!--page to be moved here-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will list the undesired page for deletion under criterion for speedy deletion G6. If the page is a redirect, place the code above the redirection. For a list of articles being considered for uncontroversial speedy deletion, see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion.

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit]


Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, as this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

(To propose moving more than one page—for example, moving a disambiguation page in order to move another page to that title—see "Requesting multiple page moves" below.)

To request a single page move, create a new section at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, using this format:

== Requested move ==
{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The subject/headline field should be left blank; a section header named "Requested move" will be created automatically. If there have been previous move discussions on the talk page, use == Requested move xxxx == where xxxx can be the year if that is appropriate, or "2" for a second discussion. Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically.

As an alternative, you can click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and insert

{{subst:RMtalk|Proposed new name|Reason for move.}}

Leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template automatically creates the heading "Requested move 22 August 2014", along with a location for survey and discussion. Also note that the template must be substituted. The template will automatically include your signature.

Note: Unlike certain other request processes on Wikipedia, nominations should not be neutral. Strive to make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and make reference to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the policy on disambiguation and primary topic. After the nomination has been made, nominators may nevertheless add a separate bullet point to support their nomination, but should add "as nominator" (for example,  * '''Rename, as nominator''': ...). Most nominators, however, simply allow the nomination itself to indicate what their opinion is. Nominators may also participate in the discussion along with everyone else, and often should.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

== Requested moves ==
{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please default to Google Books or Google News Archive before providing any web results. Do not sign this.

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.


Relisting of a discussion moves the request out of the backlog (or wherever it is in the queue) up to the current day.

Relisting of a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. Preferably, a reason for the relist will be given, to help focus further input. Relisting does imply another seven days of discussion. A relisted discussion, if over seven days old, or if revealing a consensus, may be closed at any time by another uninvolved experienced editor.

To relist a move request discussion, simply type <small>'''Relisted'''. ~~~~</small> before the initial requester's first timestamp (see this diff for an example), or the previous relisting comment. This gives the request a new timestamp which RMCD bot will use as the date to relist the entry on the requested moves project page. This can also be done by using {{subst:relisting}}, which also signs it automatically.

If the discussion has become stale, or seems that it would benefit from the input of more editors, do not simply relist, but consider more widely publicising the discussion. Some editors will notify at least one relevant WikiProject of the discussion. The template {{RM notification}} could be useful for this. These WikiProjects can often be found by means of the banners placed at the top of many articles' talk pages.

Current discussions[edit]

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format.

August 22, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Draft:ContainerContainer – I have drafted this WP:PRIMARY TOPIC article to replace the current largely WP:DABCONCEPT disambiguation page. The container, conceptually, is one of the most important inventions in all of human history, making it possible to store and transport food. This is up there with fire and the wheel. Containers are ubiquitous, but so ingrained in our in our lives that we barely notice or think of their importance. This article addresses the need for recognition of the basic concept. Since there are a few meanings of "container" that are unrelated to physical objects made for containing other physical objects, the disambiguation page will continue to exist at the "(disambiguation)" title. bd2412 T 20:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Igor pasternakIgor Pasternak – The history is a little complicated, as it appears that Sehhollins previously created this article with a lowercase p, then Smileguy91 moved it to Igor Pasternak on August 1, then Igor Pasternak was changed to a redirect to Worldwide Aeros Corp. Then on August 13, Sehhollins came back here to the lowercase-p location and re-created the article with more content. I'm not sure if the best remedy is to move this over the top of the capital-p one, or copy-paste this there and change this back to a redirect. Nick Number (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Bloke (word)Bloke – I proposed this move two years ago, the year of the article's creation, yet it was unsuccessful because the time was too wrong to tell whether the word is the primary topic. Right now, the only "Bloke"s we have are Municipality of Bloke (Slovenia) and Bloke (comics). None surpass the historical significance and popularity of the slang word "bloke", and popularity of the word is rising in Wikipedia (no stats needed, right?). I tried finding other "bloke"s; there is no other. Therefore, the word shall be primary topic. George Ho (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

August 21, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Florence May ChadwickFlorence Chadwick – She is universally known as Florence Chadwick and is so named in virtually every reference. This article was originally (2004) named Florence Chadwick. In 2009 the article was moved to Florence May Chadwick without explanation or discussion; a comment on the talk page shows that there were objections, but they came too late since the article was already moved. The middle name is not needed for disambiguation since there is no other Florence Chadwick. Virtually every "what links here" link goes to the redirect page Florence Chadwick, not to this article Florence May Chadwick. I request that the redirect page Florence Chadwick be deleted so that this article can be moved back to that name. MelanieN (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tomi JurićTomi Juric – Sorry to bring another one to RM but my move of a week or so ago has just been reverted and I thought it better to start a RM rather than move warring. My argument remains the same as at Talk:Matthew Spiranovic and a few others – he's born in Australia and notable for his exploits as an Australian where his name is officially "Juric" (as far as I am aware you cannot have the "ć" character on birth certificates, passports, driver's licenses, etc. in Australia). And obviously this is how he most commonly referred to by reliable sources, though I know plenty of people don't consider that grounds enough for moving by itself. Jenks24 (talk) 12:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Swordswoman Riding West on White HorseWhite Horse Neighs in the Western Wind – The current title is used by the 2009 book, but there are no other reliable sources. This article was created in 2006, so probably we should stick to older sources that use different English title. The proposed English title is seldom used, as well. Nevertheless, it stays true to the original title (白馬嘯西風). Two sources use the proposed title; however, one uses indefinite article ("A") and other uses definite article ("The"). I will not encourage using either; ugh... the memories of Talk:Trollhunter. The following guidelines (WP:NC-ZH, WP:NCUE, and WP:NC-B) encourage romanized titles, but the pinyin title that I proposed was not well-supported. These guidelines also encourage commonly-used titles, but neither English title is commonly used. Worse, the novel has not yet been officially published in English. WP:UE (policy) encourages pinyin implicitly, but, again, pinyin title was not well-supported. If you are reading this, I may be oblivious on which policy or guideline applies. However, if no related rule is found, then let's apply WP:IAR, okay? Relisted Calidum Talk To Me 02:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wilmington-Philadelphia Regional AirportNew Castle Airport – The official name is the New Castle Airport, all signage on the site says New Castle Airport, and the Delaware River & Bay Authority which owns and operates the airport refers to it only as the New Castle Airport. Examples from the official New Castle Airport webpage (also note the web address maintained by the official operators of the airport, Delaware River & Bay Authority, make several references to the "New Castle Airport." "Located just five miles south of Wilmington, Delaware, and only a 25-minute drive from Center City Philadelphia, New Castle Airport is ideally situated for tenants who range from major corporations to individual owners of aircraft.""New Castle Airport should be on your radar screen as a great place for your business.""Check back here, or stop by the field itself, to keep up-to-date on the exciting changes and activities at New Castle Airport." All references to the airport on the website refer to it by it's correct name, "New Castle Airport."On the official website of the Delaware River & Bay Authority (, the bi-state government agency established by the states of Delaware and New Jersey and charged with operating the New Castle Airport, the airport is referred to in their list of facilities as the New Castle Airport.Recent news articles reffering to the New Castle Airport include: - Frontier begins new flights at New Castle Airport - Frontier Airlines celebrates 1-year at New Castle Airport - Frontier plans seasonal flight suspensions at New Castle AirportArea businesses such as Budget Car Rental identify their proximity to New Castle Airport: Location Name: Budget New Castle Airport Car RentalAdditional Location Information: Budget makes Airport Car Rentals at New Castle Airport a breeze!Quality Inn & Suites Skyways: pet-friendly hotel is ideally located near many area points of interest, which include: •New Castle AirportEcono Lodge Hotel Lodge Airport hotel near the New Castle Airport Relisted Calidum Talk To Me 02:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Superman7515 (talk) 01:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anti-Nebraska PartyAnti-Nebraska movement – It was really more of a loose movement than a formally-organized party; when it became a party, it was called the Republican Party. In fact, the whole point of the original movement was that it allied people of various political opinions who were not necessarily ready to renounce their previous party affiliations... Relisted Calidum Talk To Me 02:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC) AnonMoos (talk) 06:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

August 20, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)U.S. Cellular FieldComiskey Park – According to many sources, the sponsor deal was to last from 2003 to 2012. The deal has expired and therefore it should naturally revert to its orginal name. Rt31914 (talk) 22:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wang Jian (cellist)Jian Wang (cellist) – The entire article refers him as Jian Wang. Most links to the page are also to Jian Wang (cellist) rather than to Wang Jian (cellist). The external links (all dead) also all use "Jian Wang". The move in 2010 was probably undiscussed. Timmyshin (talk) 22:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Zaza peopleZaza Kurds – The article keeps getting vandalised by people that claim Zazakis aren't Kurds. Therefore I propose that the name of the article should be changed to Zaza Kurds. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC) --Ahmetyal (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of people who were beheadedList of people who were decapitated – This list includes both people who were executed or murdered by decapitation, and also people who suffered accidental or posthumous decapitation. The word beheading refers most properly and specifically to executions or other intentional homicides; see my comments at Talk:List of people who were beheaded, as well as the lead section of the Decapitation article. IMO, either the existing instances of accidental or posthumous decapitation should be removed from this list, or else it would be best to rename the list to reflect the fact that editors want it to include more than just "beheadings". Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 07:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC) — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 03:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Love Eterne (film)Love Eterne – The Hong Kong film is known in English as The Love Eterne (as can be seen from the poster on that page) with the word "The", so the two films have different English titles. The two pages already reference each other in hatnotes, so disamiguation is unnecessary (not to mention inaccurate and confusing). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 04:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Gratis versus libreFree (word) – Despite the fancy name, what this article really is about is the word itself. Wikipedia explicitly allows articles about words when there is more to say about it than its definition, and that is certainly true of free despite (or maybe because of) the ambiguity. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Al-HasakahHasaka – Common English name:*Hasaka 110*al-Hasaka 23Also removing the article "al-" from transliterated Arabic proper names is a common practice, e.g. al-Iraq -> Iraq, al-Sudan -> Sudan, etc. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Kathovo talk 09:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ultra high definition televisionUltra-high-definition television – Now that we have let the article rest for a year and a half at a hyphenless title that nobody requested but that the closer preferred, it's time to give it another try to convert it to a more parsable normal English punctuation. If you review the previous 3 RMs you'll find that this kind of hyphenation is very common in sources, as are the two confusing partial hyphenations. Why not give the reader a hint, and do it right? Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Dicklyon (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)National Parliament of Solomon IslandsNational Parliament of the Solomon Islands – First off, I know that the official name of this body is "National Parliament of Solomon Islands", without the "the". I think that is an uncontroversial point. We know that we generally use the common name as opposed to the official name. It's nice when they are the same. The common name here might include the "the". I've done some google searches on this, but I keep getting widely divergent results when I repeat the searches—so I'm not sure about this, but I wanted to throw it out there for discussion at least and for others to consider the results that they get. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Moral rights (copyright law)Moral rightsWP:TWODABS page with a clear primary topic. There is only one article that is actually a title match to "Moral rights" and it is this one, which also happens to be the overwhelming usage in Google results for the term (about ten to one, by my quick review of the top few pages of results). "Natural" rights are important, but are generally called "Natural" rights rather than moral rights. Any confusion can be dispelled with a hatnote. bd2412 T 03:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anthony Rizzo (baseball)Anthony Rizzo – I suggest deleting the disambiguation page. In the past 30 days the filmmaker has 112 views and the baseball player has 10,000. There may be some recentism, but still, the baseball player is a clearly established star. Hoops gza (talk) 03:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

August 19, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Michel Larocque (ice hockey, born 1952)Michel Larocque – There are only two subjects by this name; this one, who had a lengthy hockey career with multiple teams, involving multiple Stanley Cup wins; and another one who's sole claim to notability is that he played three games - not three seasons, three games - in the NHL. The player born in 1952 is the clear primary topic of this term by historical importance. The WP:TWODABS disambiguation page is not needed, and should be obliterated. bd2412 T 20:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Chihuahua (dog)Chihuahua – I believe the chihuahua dog breed is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC amongst all the entries on the disambiguation page. That it meets the usage criteria is easy to demonstrate. The page on the dog is viewed more than the other seven pages linked to by the disambig page combined, and nearly four times as many as the second-most viewed page. A full table is below. There is also the long-term significance criteria, which I would also argue at least favors the dog, which, being one of the most popular and recognizable dog breeds, has a worldwide scope of interest, whereas interest in the administrative region would likely be considerably more limited than that. At any rate, one of the others on the disambig page would need to have a clear advantage in long-term significance to counteract the usage primary favoring the breed, and none of them do. It might be mentioned that the dog being named after the region is an argument against it being the primary topic, but that does not hold up. Sometimes things eclipse their namesakes. Champagne is about the beverage, not the region in France it was named after, Boston is about the city in Massachusetts, not the town in Lincolnshire it was named after, and Sandwich is about the type of food, not the earl it was named after or the town in Kent associated with the earl's title. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

August 18, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Newar languageNepal Bhasa – The page was called Nepal Bhasa before a hostile move from non-contributing user. Nepal Bhasa is the official name of the language as per Government of Nepal (see image in the article). Nepal Bhasa is the common/standard name used by language regulating bodies in their publications, including Nepal Bhasa Academy, Nepal Bhasa Parishad, Tribhuwan University Central Department of Nepal Bhasa (the only higher academic institution of Nepal Bhasa studies in the world) and various organizations (Chwasa Pasa, Asha Archives, Pasa Pucha International, World Newah Organization, Newah Organization of America), media (Dharmodaya, Matina Internation magazine, The Rising Nepal, Image Channel, Nepalmandal, local FMs), mobile apps(Nepal Bhasa dictionary), journals (Journal of Newah Studies), Buddhist organizations and native speakers. The term "Newari" has been listed as pejorative term by Ethnologue (there is negative connotation associated with the term "Newari" in the native community). The use of word Newar language is not common. Please see this ngram. A majority of work on the language (in English, Nepal Bhasa, Nepali and Hindi) are yet not available online, primarily due to the digital divide. So, it is very hard to find stuffs about it online. However, a list of sources and links are present below.--Eukesh (talk) 19:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Park Towne Place Apartment HomesPark Towne Place – "Park Towne Place" is the name most commonly (if, indeed, not universally) used for this apartment complex. It is under this name that the complex was added to the National Register of Historic Places (as you can see by following the link in the article). "Park Towne Place Apartment Homes" is the apartment-leasing business currently operated out of it; that business has no historic significance and is not worthy of a Wikipedia article. (I don't mean to disparage it, just to say that we don't create an article for every apartment complex.) Currently "Park Towne Place" is a redirect to "Park Towne Place Apartment Homes", the article title. It should be the other way around. (If indeed we need the longer title at all.) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC) TypoBoy (talk) 18:59, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Edge (wrestler)Adam Copeland – I wouldn't go for Adam "Edge" Copeland, but some sources use it, so you can vote for it if you wish. Anyway, the article uses his surname. Now that the subject is retired from WWE, he swapped from his wrestling pen name, "Edge", back to his real name, especially in a recent show, Haven (TV series). You can try search terms "WWE Edge" or "WWE Edge wrestler", especially in Google. However, this leads to broader results, especially when "edge" is used as a non-proper noun. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 05:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tarn (lake)Tarn – This appears to be the primary topic for "Tarn" as it is a well known form of lake in the English-speaking world and one of only 3 articles listed at the current disambiguation page (Tarn) that does not need a qualifier such as "Mount", "Crag", etc or a first name or surname in the case of people. The other options are the French department and French river which I suspect are far less well known. This is borne out by the viewing stats in Aug 2014: Tarn (lake) - 1140; Tarn (department) - 559; Tarn - 173 and Tarn River - 101. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC) Bermicourt (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nike+iPodNike+ – It has changed name since the release of the Android app and on the website it is marketed as Nike+ or Nike plus. The WP page for Nike+ is a redirect to the current one. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC) Torqueing (talk) 09:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tbilisi State UniversityIvane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University – The University clearly identifies itself by its full name. Only universities that aren't titled by their full names are ones that commonly refer to themselves _officially_ as something else. Examples of this are Stanford University and Rice University. This University clearly identifies itself as Ivane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University (see the difference between [2] (full name identified) vs [3] and [4] (full name not identified). I understand that there may be a "tradition" of calling it only TSU, here, but tradition is more a matter of POV. Seems as if there might be a lot of people affiliated with the University that believe TSU is correct, but this might be a conflict of interest. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC) Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 22:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SportspersonAthlete – The content of ; the content at .Soooooo many reasons:1) More common: "Athlete" is the WP:COMMON (and gender-inclusive) WP:ENGLISH term for these people in modern American and British use and has been since the 50s. Since WP:PRECISE keeps us from using "sportsman", there's no contest at all: "sportsperson" is over 50× less common in British English and over 500× in America. (How much more common? After spending the entire lead section of the article trying to explain the British usage to American readers, the entire rest of the article uses "athlete" 8 times, "sportman" once, and "sportsperson" 0 times. Literally the only edit needed for the page is to reverse the order of the terms in the first sentence.)2) Procedure: The page was begun at athlete in 2003 using American English. It's fine to explain nuances of British usage (we should!) but it is not at all acceptable to violate WP:ENGVAR by creating a WP:POVFORK and turning the WP:PRIMARY namespace into an unhelpful dab.3) Primary: The content here is the only WP:PRIMARY sense of "athlete", which is currently occupied by a misleading melangerie which should be at athlete (disambiguation).4) Precise: "Athlete" in any form of English easily refers to men or women involved in competitive athletics. "Sportsperson" in any form of English is a much rarer PC WP:NEOLOGISM attempting to include sportswomen with the more commonly used "sportsman"... but (as noted by separate editors above) it also includes other people involved with sport(s) outside of the competition itself: managers and coaches certainly, as well as managers, trainers, mascots, &c. The OED notes that British usage of "athlete" is somewhat more restrictive, but it is not completely exclusive; the EB9 ("athletæ") and 1911EB ("athlete") have articles on "athlete", albeit mostly on its classical history. Similarly American usage is not so lax that NASCAR drivers and golfers can call themselves "athletes" and have an unbiased audience keep a straight face. Moreover, wherever the page is, we have to discuss that variant usage. Better to just have the article placed at "athlete", making discussion of its classical, British, and American senses much more natural.5) Consensus: Well, I suppose y'all will share your voices and thoughts too. But the page was originally at athlete and moved without discussion. Since then, the British User:Earthlyreason, User:TommyKirchhoff, User:, and myself have noted our opposition to this name with no one speaking to defend it. There is some discussion at Talk:athlete about keeping the dab in place rather than redirect to sportsperson directly, but that has to do with the British-English WP:POVFORK currently in place.  — LlywelynII 09:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

August 17, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Ryō (currency unit)RyōRyō has been a redirect to this article since 2007, indicating that the currency unit is the primary topic. Per WP:PRECISION, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that; “(currency unit)” is unnecessarily precise, which means Ryō is a better title. Gorobay (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)RossiyaneRussian citizens – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH, this should be moved to Russian citizens, Citizens of Russia, People of Russia, or Russian people. The conception of Russianness in Russian (rossiyane vs. russkiye) is an important one, and perhaps there should be an article specifically about it. But the word rossiyane is not English. It is almost always italicized, used for explanation or to gloss translations, and almost never actually used in English, and is not naturalized in English grammar (i.e. has no English singular/plural form). It is not in English dictionaries, and would not be understood by the vast majority of readers. See relative frequency in Google Ngram.  Michael Z. 2014-08-17 17:19 z 17:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kenneth A. McArthurKen McArthur – There is an existing article (not a redirect) at the target title: "Ken McArthur", According to the Rules for Article Name conventions: The change will Best reflect Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in the subject area will recognize.Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles.Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Google Search Results:3 specific Google Books references for Ken McArthur and 0 for Kenneth A. McArthur450,000 specific references for Ken McArthur and 409,000 for Kenneth A. McArthurDo not sign this. Rich23 (talk) 14:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Like a Virgin (book)Like a Virgin: How Science Is Redesigning the Rules of SexWP:SUBTITLES was cited as reason for changing to the current title. However, the guideline doesn't say much about whether to use "(book)" or the subtitle. Omission of either is obviously out of option because... you have Madonna's album and song of the same name. Moreover, the current title misleads others into assuming that Madonna wrote the book, Like a Virgin: <something something>. Yes, searching the proposed title in Google leads to bigger results, but the long title is not well-remembered by journalists who used it. Journalists must have copied-and-pasted the title for their articles on their computers. You can try "like a virgin book", but the more effective search term is "like a virgin aarathi Prasad". --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 16:32, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of massacres of Indigenous AustraliansList of warfare deaths and massacres of Indigenous Australians – To describe Aboriginal people as if they were just sheep lead to the slaughterhouse is not only unhealthy it is untrue and it is depriving them of their abilities as warriors. Possibly most Aboriginal attacks and various measures defense ended in a massacre, but we need to give Aboriginal people credit that it was to them a war in defence of their land and rights, even when it primarily targeted settlers livestock, and that they did in numerous cases fight against all odds and for that reason with extreme bravery. Besides if we wish to list massacres of defenceless people, we would have to remove a great number of entries and exclude all cases clearly related to warfare. Bebel (talk) 03:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

August 16, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)August 2013 Rabaa MassacreRabaa and Nahda massacre – I have informed Jenks24 (who closed the previous RM) about my intention to start this request and I believe I have a green light for it.[5] Since the word massacre will obviously never be replaced in the title, I believe it is fair enough to at least make it factual and accurate per the first and second move discussions. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Western Pomerania → ? – This article is about only one, arguably not the most important, meaning of the term. It may be better to change the title and place the disambig here, as Western Pomerania is not faithful translation of German Vorpommern. The WP:NC(GN) rules applies here, just as in Pomerelia (formerly Eastern Pomerania). --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Propositum (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Roll-Your-OwnRoll-your-own – No need for consecutive words to be capitalized for Wikipedia titles. MOS has nothing to say about this matter, but most style guides agree. – WikiWinters (talk) 01:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

August 15, 2014[edit]

  • (Discuss)Human swimmingSwimming – I can't shake the feeling that when people look up "swimming" they are thinking about the human activity. I grant that many links intend the sport of swimming, but the sport is a subtopic of the human activity of swimming. By comparison, Running is a primary topic article on the activity (generally), and there is a whole family of articles on competitive running events like Middle-distance running. bd2412 T 22:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Erhai LakeErhaiWP:NCPLACE: "Rivers, lakes and mountains often include the word River, Lake or Mount in the name; national conventions and idiom should be followed in this matter... For many countries the additional word is used when needed for disambiguation purposes, but is otherwise omitted: compare Jade (river) or Achelous River (which require disambiguation) with Rhine (which does not)." The national convention in China is to call it "Erhai", that's it. The "hai" part means "Sea", and if you scroll above and read the previous move proposal you'd see that some people believe that "Erhai Lake" is a tautology. WP:ZH-NC#Place Names specifies "Avoid tautologies." The problem is avoided by removing the word "Lake". Timmyshin (talk) 19:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hu LianHu Lien – After the Chinese Civil War he moved to Taiwan, Taiwan did not use pinyin. The only reference in the article was Foreign Policy of the New Taiwan: Pragmatic Diplomacy in Southeast Asia (2002), and in that (I should add, fairly recent) book there was no "Hu Lian", only "Hu Lien", see [6]. Searches in Google Books using the 2 terms show that "Hu Lien" far outnumbers "Hu Lian", even in fairly recent literature. Timmyshin (talk) 17:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kim Tae-yeonKim Taeyeon – Kim Taeyeon is a well-known singer in South Korea, all of her fans know her by the name Taeyeon without the hyphen. This can be confirmed by Googling up her name. (Even) when editing her Wikipedia page, some editors would just automatically spell her name without a hyphen; therefore, to prevent confusion, I propose that we should move it to Kim Taeyeon. Right now her official page has her name with a hyphen Kim Tae-yeon and Kim Taeyeon is a redirect page. Please have the two pages switched. Thanks Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC) – TerryAlex (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Comic-ConComic Con – "Comic-Con" with a dash is a properly held mark of San Diego Comic-Con/Comic-Con International. See: USPTO trademark 78714077. "Comic Con" without the dash has a more genericized usage, however it is still problematic: the increasing number of 'recent' for-profit pop culture conventions calling themselves "Comic Con" have been banking on the history and media attention that the original and biggest non-profit convention has-- and intentionally causing trademark dilution/confusion. In particular, Wizard Entertainment has been rebranding all of its 'traveling' conventions from "Wizard World" to CITY X Comic Con (see: Wizard_World#Conventions), which make up the bulk of the listings in the US. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC) HidariMigi (talk) 04:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)Do You Wanna Dance?Do You Want to Dance – This song title seems to have been written in at least three different ways: Do You Want to Dance, Do You Want to Dance? and Do You Wanna Dance?. As far as I can tell, the original title, even though ungrammatical, was Do You Want to Dance. This also seems to be the view taken by the main text of the article. In any case, the article name and the first name referenced in the opening sentence, which are currently different, need to be made the same. (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Birtha (Commagene)Birtha (Osrhoene) – The old name was based on the mistaken information in an 1845 source unanimously contradicted by more modern sources. Both sides are represented in the present provisional text, which will have to be rewritten in harmony with the proposed new title. A simpler remedy would perhaps be to merge this article into that on Birecik. Esoglou (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wolverine in other media → ? – The current title is incredibly ambiguous, especially given the fact that the current primary topic for the term "wolverine" is the animal, not the comic book character. However, I'm not sure what to rename the page ... but it would have to be something less ambiguous than the current one. Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Transport in CanadaTransportation in Canada – Opening a new discussion since the other ones are long in the coffin. I think that there is compelling evidence that the common English-language usage in Canada is in fact "transportation in ___" rather than "transport in ___." Previous commenters appear to have confused this with the fact that official government usage appears to be the latter, but that is independent of its usage in common parlance and literature. Even government bodies themselves, such as Stats Canada [10][11] and Citizenship and Immigration Canada[12] refer to "transportation." A Google search shows half the results for "transport in" than for "transportation in" on .ca domains. If you look at the former, it is populated by articles talking about technical things, such as "electron transport" in chemistry, or "calcium transport" in anatomy, not vehicular transportation. For this reason, I propose it be moved to "Transportation in Canada." - SweetNightmares 03:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nottingham Subscription LibraryBromley House Library - Nottingham – The name of this establishement has been changed for some time. A new web site has been created with the domain name - confusion is now caused to users beacause when a Google Search for "bromley house" is carried out the left hand side of the results shows reference to Bromley House Library and the web site (which is correct) but the right hand side of the search results shows the Wikipedia entry which is currently titled "Nottingham Subscription LIbrary". You will note that the body of the Wikipedia entry has alrady been ammended to refer to Bromley House Library Europrima (talk) 16:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)McLean School of MarylandMcLean School – The School has rebranded and would like to be referred to as McLean School from now on. They will no longer go by McLean School of Maryland. This rebrand goes into place on Friday and wanted this page and the related google searches to reflect these changes. Rhgross (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pan dulce (sweet bread)Pan dulce – This is the only "pan dulce" with its own article; it is a major component of many Latin American countries' cuisines. The only other "pan dulce" is apparently found in Gibraltar. I know that Mexicans aren't English-speaking Europeans, but there's no way that Gibraltar's "pan dulce" is enough to mean that a reader looking for "pan dulce" doesn't find this article. NHCharlie (talk) 12:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Human gonadGonad – The Gonad article should have never been moved to the title Human gonad; that move happened in September 2011. The Human gonad article is somewhat general, small, and it can obviously be expanded to include more material. If there is no Gonad article, there shouldn't be a Human gonad article. Per WP:Disambiguation, things should not be disambiguated unless there is a need to do so. – Flyer22 (talk) 11:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The BahamasBahamas – As per WP:THE, "If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the page name. Otherwise, do not." In this case the WP:COMMONNAME does not usually contain a capitalized "The".According to Google Ngram Viewer (which is case sensitive) [14], roughly 61% of the time an uncapitalized "the" is used, 12% of the time a capitalized "The" is used, and 27% of the time no "the" is used. (Note that the capitalized "The" figure will be an overestimate as it includes capitalizations due to "The" starting a sentence.)A survey of recent sources finds that most major media publishers do not capitalized "The": BBC, Guardian, NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, Miami Herald, CBC, Toronto Star. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 05:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC) TDL (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Branko BuljevićBranko Buljevic – Following on from Talk:Matthew Spiranovic#Requested move I've been steadily going through Category:Australian people of Croatian descent and renaming to remove the accents. Haven't run into any objections so far, but I thought I should probably bring this one to RM because, unlike in the majority of cases, Buljevic was actually born in Yugoslavia and played one senior match in the Yugoslav First League before moving to Australia aged about 20. However, I still think the article should be renamed because he spent the vast majority of his career playing in Australia (where obviously he was referred to without the accent) and played for Australian national team 30 times, including at a World Cup, and so should follow what I would consider to be the naming conventions of other notable Australian sportspeople. Jenks24 (talk) 13:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC).


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