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Czech republic point of view.[edit]

http://geolib.geology.cz/cgi-bin/gw?ST=03&SID=0039F9ACDA&L=02&KDE=037&RET=Raman+spectroscopic+provenance+determination+of+garnets+from+the+scramasaxe+scabbard+%28The+treasure+of+Barbarian+Prince+from+C%C3%A9zavy%2DBlu%C4%8Dina%2C+Czech+Republic%2C+late+5th+century%29%2E+%5C%5CRIV%2F00023272%3A%5F%5F%5F%5F%5F%2F09%3A%230000893%5C

http://templ.net/english/texts-sword_from_blucina.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu%C4%8Dina_burial Good day, my written English is not the best. So can someone please update the Eurasian Avars. This is the only artifact that I know about that dates from Atilla the Hun, and the AVAR period 5th to 8th Centry. It is located 8kn from Brno Moravia. No aritfacts have ever been found on Bohemian soil to my knowledge. But maybe someone should read history more carefully. Because I am far from an expert. But didn't Atilla the Hun and the later Avar's first enter Europe through the Silk road to raid the Roman Empire. It's written in Latin and Greek from the time but there are many citie's and rivers named. None of these are on todays Czech Lands, http://www.cs-magazin.com/index.php?a=a2011021048 . The rivers named are the Volga, Rhina, Danube. Also the chronicle of fredegar "slavic" "Befulci" can mean many things page 149 here: http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/arheo/ska/tekstovi/fredegar_paul.pdf :https://www.escholar.manchester.ac.uk/api/datastream?publicationPid=uk-ac-man-scw:1m1955&datastreamId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF or even google:define:Benfulci. If anyone can help in updating I will be greatfull. Casurgis from Sydney — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.0.254 (talk) 04:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, don't quite understand what you're saying. But Avars and huns are differnt people, first of all. Seconly, there are quite a lot of Avar artefacts found in the Czech lands, all the way to eastern Germany, due to trade, exchange, diplomatic ties, etc. Slovenski Volk (talk) 07:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Source of the term? avar = a war ?[edit]

Source of the term?

avar = a war = people of war? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.90.230.235 (talk) 15:15, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits[edit]

The recent round of edits to the page removed narrative and sourced content without explanation. About half the page was deleted and replaced with two long, copied-and-pasted block quotes. What remains is incoherent and full of grammatical errors. I am reverting to the last intelligible version of the page. If the new content is to be re-added, the quotes should be summarized and blended into the existing narrative. If a full rewrite and removal of sourced content is proposed, it should be discussed here first. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 22:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Dear Laszzslo, the content of the updates falls entirely within the standards and are in fact of a superior quality, given the editor's aptitude. What's more, its features the most recent authorities and views on the Avars, and address previously under investigated aspects , eg relation to Ruanruan, etc.
The sourced content is still contained, at least its 'meaning', or was simply moved to other sections. Nor is the quoting excess, or undue. And remember, there is nothign wrong with WP:bold.
So the feigned pretenses of your objection really have no grounding. Regards

Slovenski Volk (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

What was left was incoherent, with all narrative removed. Two long block quotes -- almost as much text as the rest of the page -- is certainly excessive and not encyclopedic. The quotes should be summarized and blended into the narrative. Better yet, a secondary source summarizing those quotes should be used. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 01:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Laz, you're quite incorrect. Granted, there were some grammatical ommissions, which i fixed. The first excssive text i felt was important because it is the only real detailed source we have on postulated Avar origins. However, I accept that this might be shortened, which i'd be happy to do soon. But it does not warrant mass reversion of a good -faith update.

The second quote is not a primary source, but is a quote from a secondary source - a theory directly related to the Avar formation by one of the foremost authorioties on Avars, and east-central Europe in general. Its point form, and really nails the crux of the issue. Quoting it does not appear to breach any regulations , or the "flow" of the article Slovenski Volk (talk) 01:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Missing history[edit]

I'm not expert on early Medieval history, but I was astounded to find that this entry contains nothing about the defeat and eventual displacement of the Eurasian Avars by Charlemagne and his lieutenants around the turn of the 8th to 9th centuries. The well-referenced German WP article contains a 1,000-word section on this important chapter in European history, detailing the Carolingian campaigns against the Avars in 791-803, [1] and notes that after 822 the Avars "disappeared from (European) history virtually without a trace" (verschwanden die Awaren praktisch spurlos aus der Geschichte).

Among a dozen sources cited is, repeatedly, Walter Pohl: Die Awaren, Ein Steppenvolk in Mitteleuropa 567–822 n. Chr. 2 Aufl. München 2002, ISBN 3-406-48969-9 — termed a "standard work on the Avars of the Early Middle Ages by one of the most authoritative historians of the area" (Standardwerk zu den frühmittelalterlichen Awaren aus der Sicht eines der angesehensten Historiker auf diesem Gebiet).

The absence of this history seems to me a very serious deficiency in the present article. Sca (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

So Slavs were Slaves to Turks, not only to Arabs, Hebrews, Vikings, Greeks, Germanic and Italic people[edit]

Slaves(Slavic) women belonged to Turks (Avars). Hence Turks could today still legally demand all lands of Slaves (including Russia) back as the Turkish territory.