Talk:Freedom Square (Kharkiv)

Name

Shouldn't that be spelled "ploshcha", with a shch? But then, although I love Ukrainian names, I think this should properly be at Independence Square, Kharkiv, according to WP naming conventions. —Michael Z. 2005-09-9 04:49 Z

Maydan (Maidan).--Юе Артеміс (talk) 11:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Size

Let's make up our minds about what this article says about the size of the square. According to Europe, Moscow is geographically part of Europe. Pure numbers indicate that the Red Square is bigger (also try using google maps and you'll see for yourself). In this case, Freedom Square is not the biggest square in Europe. Shall we fix the article or are there any objections? --Romanski 16:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red Square is about 7,3 hectare [1] or according to other urealiable source is 6,9512 ha [2]. If number provided in article is correct - Kharkiv square is bigger. --TAG 20:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the links to the google maps views earlier. I think on the contrary they show that the square in Kharkov is somewhat larger - shorter (300 meters while Red Square is closer to 330), but wider (slightly below 100 m, while Red Square is more like 70 m). However there are huge caveats in these measurements: for instance by most definitions the eastern boundary of Red Square is Saint Basil's Cathedral, but you often see lengths of 600 m of more, which also include the neighboring "St Basils' Descent" on the other side of the cathedral (see [3]). Whether that should be counted as part of "Greater Red Square" or not is really a matter of taste. Also, some measurements report a higher value for the width: this seems to consider Lenin's Tomb as being "on" the square (which then extends to the walls of the Kremlin) rather than bordering it... Similar problems with Ploshcha Svobody: there is a circular road loop that extends to the west of the square, designed for military parades (see [4]). Is that part of the square ? What about the clump of trees in the middle, should that count ?? The problem is that different sources (especially on the internet) have different standards and it's not always clear which ones. Plus there is a fair bit of exaggeration going on, with supporter of each side quoting unlikely numbers. If there are authoritative numbers available - or even better, some "international standard" guidelines on how to judge these things, please make them known! Otherwise the current values, given by the size of the main rectangular area in the squares, seem like a good default.--Nberger 22:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. I've created List of city squares by size - let's see the Red Square supporters make a huge fuss! In any case, I believe satellite photographs are a very reliable source, and the main dispute is really about the definition of what constitutes a square. --Romanski 16:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What does it mean that after the Soviet conquest this square was renamed Dzerzhinsky Square? This square was founded and rebuilt in the USSR, here is its history: The territory located to the north-west of Sumskaya Street belonged to the university in the 19th and early 20th centuries. It housed clinics and educational buildings of the medical faculty, behind which stretched wastelands crossed by ravines, in particular, Shatilov Yar (filled in in the 1930s).

Before the revolution, the place of the current square was partially occupied by a small unpaved Veterinary Square, named after the two-story building of the Veterinary Institute (since the 1960s, the new Palace of Pioneers). Basically, it was a wasteland.

In addition to the institute, the Veterinary Square was overlooked by the building of the surgical building of the university (Sumskaya St., 39; butt; destroyed in the war), the three-story building of the chemical faculty of Kharkov University on the site of the mine of the Soviet Metrostroy (the Kharkiv Palace hotel was opened in its place in 2012) and several one-story buildings, some of which stood on the territory of the future square.

Paving of the square. Early 1930s. In the background, the building of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Belarus (U) under construction in the style of constructivism (the first three floors retain elements of the original design of the facade of the building of the Provincial Zemstvo, subsequently lost in the process of forced adjustment of the project)

In 1924, taking into account the growth of the capital of the Ukrainian SSR, the architect V.K. Trotsenko developed a preliminary scheme for this district of Kharkov, later called Zagospromye. According to the plan, quarters were divided in the form of concentric rings: 1, 2, 3 and 4th Ring Streets, now, respectively, Independence Avenue, Chichibabin, Danilevsky and Culture streets; separated by radial streets: 1, 2, 3 and 4th Radial, now Henri Barbusse, Romain Rolland, Nauky Avenue and Yaroslav Galan. Radial were also Klochkovsky descent, now Passionaria descent, and Trinkler street. The punching of some radial streets from Trotsenko's plan was not carried out: in particular, a) going through the Shevchenko garden (where they were replaced by alleys, in particular Universitetskaya alley), b) Yaroslav Galan street after the completion of the construction of the Academy of the Red Army (Dzerzhinsky Square, 6) turned out to be cut off from the square, although originally it was supposed to pass under the passage of this building through its large courtyard, like the 1st and 2nd Radial under the passages of Gosprom: the connection was not made, in particular, due to the height difference - the square is located much lower Galan streets.

In 1925, on the initiative of F. E. Dzerzhinsky, it was decided to build the State Industry House. Three adjacent quarters on the inner ring were allotted for him. This marked the beginning of the formation of a new district, the center of which was a huge square, the border of which was determined by Gosprom. To open a view of the "first Soviet skyscraper" from the side of Sumskaya Street, it was necessary to significantly cut the ground and clear a large area from low-rise buildings.

One of the largest squares in the world turned out in terms of an unusual shape, reminiscent of a chemical retort. The desire to give the outlines of the square a clearer configuration led to its spatial division into a rectangular part, which serves as the main city forum, and a round one, in the center of which there was a huge flower bed before the Great Patriotic War, then a public garden was created in its place (architects V. I. Korzh, P. I. Rusinov, 1965).

Disputes about the shape of the square and the boundaries of its parts continued until the end of the 1920s. It was even proposed to divide the area into two, and between them, from the Shevchenko Garden to the future International Hotel, to build a monumental building that continues Trinkler Street. This plan was abandoned, but the idea of architecturally emphasizing the border between parts of the square led in 1963 to the installation of a monument to Lenin on the border of the two parts, which, after the destruction on September 28, 2014, was replaced by a memorial cross.

Until the 1990s, it was called "Dzerzhinsky Square". Since 1991 it has been called "Freedom Square".

As a result of reconstruction in 2020, a new fountain was installed in the square. Цйфыву (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake?

"Mistake: The statue of Lenin is situated in the middle of Freedom Square. The park is situated behind the statue. This park is part of Freedom Square/"

This is an edit to the actual page by User:82.207.89.92 - I moved it here. If you are the author of the above and have any nice references - please provide them, they will be highly appreciated! --Romanski 13:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New image

Not sure about you guys, but I think the previous image gave a much better idea of what the Square looks like. Can we have it back please? --Romanski 10:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I also see no point to put Lenin in the picture.. —dima/s-ko/ 17:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done--Riurik ^(discuss) 07:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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President Zelensky mention at the EU parliament

Today, 1st March 2022, Ukrainian President Zelensky made a special mention of Freedom Square, as he was addressing the European Parliament, while Putin's war was raging, about Ukraine joining the European Union. References: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ZtjT1Ydu4&ab_channel=DWNews and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E62GdKI_U_w&ab_channel=TheSun 123.205.19.162 (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian name

Hi, I was wondering why Площа as opposed to майдан is used for the Ukrainian name? Ukrainian Wikipedia article's title uses the word майдан. Why the discrepancy? BasilLeaf (talk) 22:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]