Talk:History of Burma

Anniversary of Independence

An event in this article is a January 4 selected anniversary

Separate histories for Burma and Myanmar?

Yes I am being provocative by establishing a separate History of Burma page rather than expanding the History of Myanmar page. I feel strongly about the Burma-Myanmar issue, as do the people of Burma, who sadly have no voice here or elsewhere. If this page is reverted to History of Myanmar I will be very cross. Dr Adam Carr 04:45, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Would it be forward of me to suggest that the two pages be merged, with one re-directing to the other. It seems to me this would make the most sense, as it allows the same information to be available whichever name you choose. It has already been done with Burma -> Myanmar - OK, so which direction you re-direct in is open to debate, but both that page and this refer to the controversy, so users can make up their own minds. (And since very few people will notice the re-direction at all, it is a fairly academic debate at that). See also my comment on Talk:Myanmar - IMSoP 03:50, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think it should be left as it is. The real-world situation is rather ambiguous, and the page structure reflects that. Adam 05:22, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I disagree - many topics covered in an encyclopedia are likely to be amgiguous, and even controversial, but that is no reason for the structure of the encyclopedia itself to be confusing and inconsistent. History of Myanmar is currently never linked back to from this page, and is essentially a stub version of the same article. I see no reason for both to continue existing.

I'm going to stick my neck out, and

• copy the "see also" section from History of Myanmar (the only advantage that page currently has)
• attempt to correct a few biases in your language

I won't put the re-direct in yet, in case you can suggest a solid reason not to

- IMSoP 19:18, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I naturally have no objection to abolishing History of Myanmar. I would strongly object to abolishing this page. The English name of the country is Burma. Adam

I will move this to History of Myanmar (merging the two page histories in the process). The English name of the country is not Burma. I also left a comment on the bottom of Talk:Myanmar. --Jiang 23:44, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Reverse bias

Seems like History is always the victor's... now that the ex-colonies have gained independence, they get to write their own version of history that was formerly written by the colonial powers.

Let's restore some factual statements and leave the propaganda aside.

reply: You could start with giving us a piece that you feel is biased. From that point we could evaluate the evidence and make changes accordingly. I completely understand your initial point and do not mean to reduce it; however, let's be specific. The ball's in your court.richardtgreer (talk) 06:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Wagaung (talk) 07:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem with dates and/or ordering of events

The last paragraph in the "World War II and Japan" section of the artcle, says the following:

In March 1945, the Burma National Army rose up in a countrywide rebellion against the Japanese. Afterward, Aung San and others began negotiations with Lord Mountbatten in October 1943 and officially joined the Allies as the Patriotic Burmese Forces or PBF.

Either there needs to be some reordering of events or somebody needs to check the dates. I'd do it myself, but I'm not a Burmese history buff (yet) and currently do not have the time to look up the dates/order of events myself. Matatigre36 07:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made the correction. The October 1943 date refers to the earliest contact between the AFO/AFPFL and the British. The date was left in as a fragment from successive rewrites of the paragraph. 168.127.0.51 16:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Adding information from authoratative sources with citations

I've published three papers on early modern Burmese history (c. 1350-1600). I'm adding the most essential information from what most historians accept as authoritative sources for this period like the late Dr. U Than Tun, Dr. Yi Yi, U San Lwin, Dr. Sunait Chutintaranond of Chulalongkorn university, U Tun Aung Chain of the Burma Historical Commission, U Thaw Kaung of the national library, professor Victor Lieberman of University of Michigan, Dr. Charney of University of London, Mon scholars Nai Pan Hla and Halliday, Emmanuel Guillon, etc. I'm starting with timelines like those found for the Tudor dynasty in England. I will provide citations and references. I am a writer for the Bangkok Post newspaper in Thailand.

The strategy I have decided to take is to leave the page intact and add specific biographical and dynastic entries which I will write providing thorough citations for all information. It will be easier to separate out exactly what I added in this case Jonfernquest 05:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC).

Myanmar

I have extracted everything from History of Myanmar and summarised it on the "History of Myanmar" section in the Myanmar article. If any citations, clarifications, or corrections are made, can any editor please do so on the Myanmar article? Thanks. Hintha 23:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Will do (Jonfernquest 11:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

Updated Ava and Pegu section with Chinese - Tai relations (Jonfernquest 02:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC))

Related merge

I am proposing the merger of multiple articles into Burmese Kingdom-it's a horrible article, but the bulk of the others are stubs, and it is a good place to grow them from, and catch information for the uninformed reader who doesn't know where to look. The only reason I suggest _any_ of these merges are there are so many little stubs, a larger more inclusive article would be better. Chris 18:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Races??

Why is "race" used in the first sentence? Even if race were real, and its not in humans, the region was populated with "peoples" or "ethnic groups" or migrants. Mulp 05:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. I see no reason why race can't be changed to ethnic group. richardtgreer (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Vietnam borders Burma?

Why in the first section of this article is it stated that Viet Nam borders Burma? Can we agree to remove Viet Nam from that sentence? Or, perhaps the author can express better his/her meaning of neighbor?--richardtgreer (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't say Vietnam borders Burma, just included in the neighbouring countries which it is since there is only the northernmost stretch of Laos in between. Wagaung (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Decent point. I concede. Obviously, my intuitive though of neighbor is an adjacent country.richardtgreer (talk) 19:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarification

Can someone just clarify in the article if the Pyu kingdoms were from China and if the section on Pyu being the first civilization holds true seeing as the paragraph above it cleary contradicts it being such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.14.210 (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Helpful study guide

Editors can find a credible amount of help from Cooler, Dr. Richard M. (Last updated: 11/02/09). "THE ART AND CULTURE OF BURMA Introduction" (Illustrated study guide). The art and culture of Burma. SEAsite, Center for Southeast Asian Studies, Northern Illinois University. http://www.seasite.niu.edu/burmese/cooler/Intro/BurmaArt_Intro.htm. Retrieved 6:17 PM 1/20/2011. "The purpose of this on-line study-guide and course-outline is to make text and visual materials on the arts of Burma readily and inexpensively available, in particular to students and teachers."  --Pawyilee (talk) 14:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)