Talk:Italic script

Plausable?

The notion that Nicolas was the father of the Italic Cursiva is about as plausable as James Browns belief that he was a Civil Rights leader. The 'a' minimum had been evolving in Batarde Fractura and Swashbacker, which Nicolas certianly had no influence over, and the actual stroke ordering was still at issue well into the 1530s. As for the hand being cumbersome, this is an obvious contradiction too sense modern calligraphers show no competence in copperplate scripts, while theory makes it clear that writting the Cursiva is much easier and more compact than the Antiqua or Rotunda althgough here too, Modern Calligraphers rarely show the talent required to write a fromal Italic Cursiva. Further the Italic Cursiva didn't reach it's peak untill about 1570 which is about the time that the Italic Bastarde over-shadowed it.

A word of caution here is the realization that no Writing Master that I know of has ever claimed to be the father of any Hand or Script, no matter how many novelties and improvements he personally may have introduced. I relize the reverse is the case with Typesetters, which at best is a copyright induced tendency, but in reality the real test and task of inventing a formal script or hand is about as radical an innovation as Bill Gates and the dominance of Microsoft. --MicPowell 02:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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It is to be noted that the so-called Humanist Minuscule is a 20th Century Calligraphic code wording for the Antiqua, a naive Romanesque attempt to to revive serif Roman lettering reborn after the Moorish occupation and the Uncial, not Caroline influence. The Caroline has no particular merit in the history of Western writing save the tabloid like reference to Carl.

It is misleading to attribute the Italic Scripts and Hands to Nicolas especially as he was no Writing Master and the more because the Cursiva itself continued to evolve from circa 1470s through the 1570s. Further Italic, merely identifies the place of origin for many scripts.

The Antiqua was, as it's name suggests, antiquated from the start and a bane to most scribes which led to the serifs once again being removed and the Uncial Maximuns were reintroduced to better complement the round minimums. This is what the Spanish would later call the Rotunda but in it's more elaborated Italian Blackletter form was called the Italic Formata.

Rethinking the Roman influence again Writing Masters like Balthus Matus, Bembo and others borrowed the more angular structural motif from Anglo and German Blackletter rather than stick to the deceptively simple round forms which are more difficult to master because of their near pure geometric shape.

These new angular forms still did not match the cumbersome Romanesque caps and so gradually the Spanish, Moorish influences of slight of hand, clubbing and flourishes evolved a swashing hand where the slashings and strikings were more a mirror of the idea of sword stokes and hence the name Italic Bastarde. The latter wording being a common term for hybrids of the pen.

This Spanish , Moorish influence made the Italic Cursiva less Italian despite the variations that were locally indicative like the Mercantile, Brevi, Tadessca, Bollitica, and Impreiale which became more dramatic displays in turn. Fra Vespesano Ampherio, a monk continuing from the technical realization of the greater efficiency of the Italic Cursiva over the Rotunda Formata began altering the hand further in his Bastarde del Frate which introduced more looping joins, and ligatures a Germanic 'r' and 'h' of unclear origin. These changes led to an even tighter script format and within ten years the cancelleresa circumflessa would become the last Italic Hand of note as the Dutch and Frence Schools moved into vouge.

See Joyce Irene Whalley; Western Calligraphy, Catherine Atkin; Masters of the Italic Hand.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirmylesnagopaleentheda (talk • contribs) 09:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Getty-Dubay Spam?

It seems a huge number of script related articles have references to the hideous commercial Getty-Dubay method. I suspect this is a form of spam.

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Is it Italics or italics?

No one rule discernible throughout the article. When does it stop to relate to Italy and start being written with lowercase i, if ever? Is it a matter of BE vs AE? Arminden (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2024 (UTC)