Talk:Lisa Su

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Native name[edit]

I think the person's native name (Chinese) should be included in the article. -Marinean (talk) 03:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marinean, per WP:BRD, you need to establish WP:CONSENSUS before replacing these bold additions, which have been reverted, and you have not done that. Su moved to the U.S. when she was 3 and is an American citizen. There is therefore no need to have the Chinese characters for the name in the article, much less five times. None of your additions to the article have citations. If you continue to edit-war without reaching consensus, you will be reported an administrator's noticeboard and blocked from editing. Softlavender (talk) 03:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That fact that Su moved to the U.S. when she was 3 and is American by citizenship does not alter the fact that she was born in Taiwan and is Taiwanese by ethnicity. A native name will improve the article by presenting readers with more information related to the person. Source can be found here. -Marinean (talk) 03:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, the native name is only mentioned 3 times, not 4 times. Two of which are names in traditional and simplified characters in a Chinese infobox, a typical format for including Chinese names. -Marinean (talk) 03:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is the Chinese-language website for AMD. This is English Wikipedia. An American citizen who spent all but three years of her life in the U.S. does not need the Chinese characters of her name on English Wikipedia, much less five times (at the top hatnote and four times in the infobox). There is a link to the Chinese-language Wikipedia article on Su in the lefthand column of the page. It would be logical to have Chinese characters for someone still residing in China or Taiwan, or someone who spent the vast majority of their life in China, Taiwan, or Hong Kong (Cantonese), but not for a 48-year-old American citizen and CEO who was three years old when she immigrated to the U.S. Softlavender (talk) 09:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The hatnote is a link to an article on her family name and does not contain any Chinese characters. Su was born in Taiwan and was given her Chinese name at birth, and then that's her native name and is worth being mentioned even if she immigrated to the U.S. The native name shows her ethnicity and ancestry, no matter which country's citizenship she currently holds. Which guideline set the age limit of immigration, below which the native name cannot be mentioned? More information does not harm Wikipedia, but improve it. -Marinean (talk) 09:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Her Taiwanese birth and nationality is mentioned three times in the article. Su is obviously a Chinese surname -- there is no reason to repeat that in an obtrusive and unnecessary hatnote at the top of the page which mars the appearance of the article. English Wikipedia does not use Chinese characters unless they are overwhelmingly relevant and important to the article. In this case, they definitely aren't -- Su's entire education and career have been in the U.S., in the English language, and she is a U.S. citizen. Softlavender (talk) 10:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The hatnote is not unnecessary because it gives a link to the article on the family name.

"English Wikipedia does not use Chinese characters unless they are overwhelmingly relevant and important to the article". Unless there is a Wikipedia guideline that clearly states that, with a scale/examples to determine the revalence, I take that as your personal opinion. -Marinean (talk) 10:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marinean, you have been on Wikipedia only one month, and have made only 230 edits, and moreover most of them are China or Chinese related. You have failed to achieve WP:CONSENSUS for your desired but obtrusive and unnecessary edits to this article. Softlavender (talk) 10:57, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Does my experience on Wikipedia have anything to do with the discussion we are having? When I ask you for a guideline to support your argument, you step back and talk about my editing experience. Of course I am not achieving consensus with you. Apparently what I consider informative is considered obtrusive by you. Let's wait for other interested editors to give their opinions on the discussion. Marinean (talk) 11:04, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it works. Read WP:BRD. If your bold edit is contested or reverted, the status quo ante is what is retained in the article, and you need to establish consensus first before replacing your bold edits. Softlavender (talk) 11:22, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see. If that's how it works, I respect the rules. I would continue to convince you if I have more time, which I don't. So revert as you wish for now. Marinean (talk) 11:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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It's claimed Lisa Su is the niece of Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang[edit]

Is anybody able to verify this? I've left the claim in the article but there only seems to be one source, which is a Taiwanese video report. Any Chinese speakers able to translate for us? Kronix1986 (talk) 19:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Commentary for the report at https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/935178-in-the-most-bizzare-mid-computex-event-coverage-taiwanese-news-outlets-profiles-lisa-su-as-the-niece-once-removed-of-jensen-huang/ indicates that Su's grandfather and Huang's mother are brother/sister. Thus (from tables of consanguinity) the term "first cousins once removed" appears to be more accurate than "uncle/niece". James Alien Woods (talk) 03:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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... More specifically, the commenter points to an article in a "major publication in Taiwan" which bears out the cousin once-removed familial relationship: https://www.cw.com.tw/article/article.action?id=5061946, whose Google translation starts with the title "Tainan daughter Su Zifeng on the semiconductor "cousin" war opened (sic)". This citation adds to the video report, so may be construed as a second (or primary) source. James Alien Woods (talk) 04:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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According to this report which sites a translated Chinese news segment, there are some family relations. "NVIDIA founder Huang Renxun (Jensen Huang) also came from Tainan. He also has a relative relationship with a known Su Zifeng (Lisa Su) and that Su Zifeng's Grandfather as well as Huang Renxun's mother are, in fact, siblings." "Technically, it is safe to say that Lisa Su's own grandfather is actually Jen-Hsun Huang's uncle. Although they aren't really niece and uncles, they are very close relatives." https://www.techtimes.com/articles/253736/20201030/fact-check-nvidia-ceo-uncle-amds-dr-lisa-su.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.195.3 (talk) 01:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing Biographical Item[edit]

The article states that its subject "emigrated to the United States at the age of 3". This is not in accordance with my information concerning human development. A three-year-old child is unlikely to be able to apply for a passport, much less purchase an airplane ticket and board a plane.

That is, the sentence structure implies that she initiated the action, and engaged in it autonomously.

The more common sentence construction would be "Her parents emigrated to the United States, taking her with them, when she was 3" - if that is indeed what took place. Perhaps some other adults brought her to the United States and took care of her there, so that does involve additional facts to check. Quadibloc (talk) 02:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]