Talk:List of law school GPA curves

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightbulb1 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Also, please add references to this article (and phenomenon) to the article pages of the schools listed.

different things being compared[edit]

Some schools only curve certain classes. For example, Stanford curves to a 3.4, but only in examination classes. The average graduating GPA is a good chunk higher than 3.4, since most paper classes average higher than a 3.4 (sometimes much higher). Some of the GPA's listed are average graduating GPA's. I don't know if there's a way of equalizing this comparison, but it's making some schools seem like they inflate more than they do, and vice-versa.


unranked[edit]

Unranked doesn't mean you don't grade on a curve, however. Boalt, for instance, has a pretty harsh curve -- they give 10% "HH" (high honors), 30% "H" (honors), and the balance are "P" (pass) or not pass. But they don't compute individual rankings for students; just 10% rankings and the top position in the class. And there's no "GPA" per se. --lquilter 15:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

W&L Rank YOu can't really put that curve up- the curve is something that is constantly in flux and there is no exact number- in fact it changes with each class


Uhh.. All I can say is that my school's curve places me in the top 3rd of my class with barely a 3.1 GPA. Each individual class is seperately curved, and different professors will place their median in different locations (e.g. one section of property last year had a C+/2.3 median and the other had a B-/2.7 median). I find it hard to believe any information posted in this article could be credible.

At my law school, a 3.1 places you in the top 10%. Top third is somewhere around a 2.7. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.249.142 (talk) 02:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

correct[edit]

I think this information should be viewed as some guideline. It's not going to be perfect without cooperation from the schools. Schools usually curve in required courses, courses that have a large number of students, and the curve sometimes even changes by class year. I've seen curves at some schools shift towards higher grades by class year. Generally, the smaller courses or "paper" courses have less stringent curves. The curve may not be representative of an actual student's GPA or even the class median because there's a lot of variables. Moreoever, the curve is not representative of a particular student. It's just the distribution of grades within a particular class. An individual can perform differently in different classes with the same curve in effect, which can make the curve not necessarily representative of GPA. Although, I'm not sure what's the absolute effect of this. Perhaps, there isn't a large deviation from the curve for the class median. However, in a relative sense it can explain why the general GPAs from different schools are different when you look at a large number of students from each school.

Grade Inflation[edit]

I don't know why the article suggests that a curve would be responsible for grade inflation. There is nothing inherent to a curve that would cause grade inflation. Some schools may set the median grade too high, but most law schools place the median grade around a 'B'. When compared with other graduate program grades, I believe law school grades tend to be lower (some programs require at least a 'B' average - which means that the median grade must be higher).

Sources[edit]

The source for Georgetown is incorrect; neither the median noe the average GPA are reflected in the Excel spreadsheet. The recommended breakdown is regularly manipulated by professors and the sheet applies only to large classes with final exams. A good number of classes have final papers or are smaller than 25. Furthermore, many professors change the recommended breakdown. I'm a current student and while some of my exam classes were close to the recommended settings, most of the professors tweaked the numbers to both raise the average score and add C's, D's and, in one case, an F.

I am not sure whether the true average GPA is higher or lower at Georgetown Law; I just know that an old Excel spreadsheet (for a professor who no longer teaches at Georgetown) is not a good source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. GOH! (talk • contribs) 08:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same issue with Sources: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.55.95 (talk) 00:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that Vanderbilt does not release their rankings. Looking at the citation for NALP, the grade tiers it was not listed. I know back in my days that for 1L's it was below a 2.7.

Duquesne University School of Law[edit]

Duquesne Law implemented a recomended distribution this past academic year. According to the law school's academic bulletin, p.34, for first-year classes and upper-level classes of 15 or more students, there should be a distribution of: 20-25% receiving A+, A, or A-; 50-60% receiving B+, B, or B-; and 20-25% receiving C+, C, C-, D+, D, or F. Can anyone work this neatly into the chart? Since it's not a simple number, like the other schools listed, I'm not sure the best way to do it.--Msl5046 (talk) 14:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of the list is indecipherable[edit]

I curved in college (not law school) for 25 years, and I have no idea how to interpret the numbers in this table. The article says The process generally works within each class and then The following list shows where law schools set the 50% mark. Then the list shows a GPA Curve for each school, with entries like 2.50–2.79(1L)and 2.78. Does e.g. 2.78 mean that within each class, 50% of the students get a score of 2.78 or lower? This would only be meaningful if the classes are graded on a numerical (not letter-grade) scale of 0.0 to 4.0 -- is that what is meant? And what does e.g. 1L mean? Duoduoduo (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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