Talk:Louise Hippolyte, Princess of Monaco

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On 27 November 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Louise Hippolyte. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Requested move 27 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Louise Hippolyte, Princess of Monaco → Louise Hippolyte – The princess seems to be the primary meaning for this title. Векочел (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 01:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Let's maintain the "Monarch of country" style for these page titles, so readers immediately know what country is be being reigned over. PS - Can't we wait until other RMs are completed, before starting others? GoodDay (talk) 17:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ in line with point 4 of WP:SOVEREIGN which clearly states that when there is no ordinal, the country name is retained (despite the recent change to point 3). Point 4 goes on to say that exceptions can be made in accordance with WP:CRITERIA, and indeed an argument might be made under WP:COMMONNAME for Princess Louise Hippolyte; using the princess's forenames only would not comply. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, looking at this a bit more, there are two further points:

Her name should be hyphenated (Louise-Hippolyte) according to most reliable sources.
Monegasque sovereigns do seem to use ordinals even for the first and only holder with a given name, e.g. Antonio I and Jacques I, and there are several reliable sources that use an ordinal for Louise-Hippolyte.

Accordingly support move to Louise-Hippolyte I – and also drop "Prince of Monaco" from all the other unambiguous Monegasque rulers. Rosbif73 (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Single name: "don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used". DrKay (talk) 09:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What title would you suggest? At the very least we ought to hyphenate as Louise-Hippolyte, Princess of Monaco (the page was moved away from that title back in 2009 but I see no trace of a discussion); other options could include Louise-Hippolyte I as mentioned above or Louise-Hippolyte Grimaldi as seen in some reliable sources. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for titles lesser than King/Queen, we use the title. Richiepip (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.