Talk:Max Planck Institute for Informatics

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved article per WP:SILENCE. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 12:51, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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Max Planck Institute for Computer Science → Max Planck Institute for Informatics – The official name is Max Planck Institute for Informatics, which is now only a redirect. This name is also used in all English-speaking publications of the insitute, and I think is a better fit than the official German name Max-Planck-Insitut für Informatik. --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC) 88.68.25.199 (talk) 08:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Edit requests

As my changes have been reverted, here are some edit requests. My suggestions are licensed under a CC0 and therefore may be reused and adapted freely. Referenced news paper articles are available via WISO.

Wrong date of formation

I have no idea where 1993 comes from but the MPI-INF was founded in November 1988 and started its work in December 1990. I suggest the following introductory paragraph which also states the institute's founding directors:

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Max-Planck Institute for Informatics The Max Planck Institute for Informatics (German: Max-Planck-Institut für Informatik, abbreviated MPI-INF) is an institute of the Max Planck Society. Founded November 1988 by the Max Planck Society, the Max Planck Institute for Informatics is located on the campus of Saarland University. The institute started its work under the founding director Kurt Mehlhorn in December 1990. The following year, Harald Ganzinger was recruited as the second director.

Additionally, the Infobox should be updated.

 Partly done @K.M. (MPI-INF): I only used the German source, since the other source was primary. I didn't add the info about the directors because the sourcing either was missing or had no link that I could read, and I don't think directors' names usually go in leads anyway. If you can find better sourcing, I can start a history section and put their names there. STEMinfo (talk) 23:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

First of its kind in MPG

The MPI-INF is the first institute of Max Planck Society concerned with informatics and computer science. If this is considered worth mentioning, I suggest the following paragraph:

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The Max-Planck-Institute for Informatics was the first institute of the Max-Planck-Society with a core focus on informatics. It was later followed by the Max Planck Institute for Software Systems, Max Planck Institute for Intelligent Systems, and the Max Planck Institute for Security and Privacy.

 Not done Without a link, I can't read the source, so don't know if this is notable or not. STEMinfo (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Awardees

If reputable awards received by the institute's members are considered worth mentioning, I suggest the following paragraph. (If no explicit reference is given then the award's linked article includes a list of all awardees):

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Since the founding, the institute has received countless awards, including: The Leibniz Prize awarded to Kurt Mehlhorn (1987), Hans-Peter Seidel (2003), Anja Feldmann (2011); the Konrad Zuse Medal granted to Kurt Mehlhorn (1995), Thomas Lengauer (2003), Gerhard Weikum (2021); and the Karl Heinz Beckurts-Preis given to Kurt Mehlhorn (1994), Christian Theobalt (2017); as well as ACM Fellowships given to Kurt Mehlhorn (1999), Gerhard Weikum (2006), Thomas Lengauer (2021), Bernt Schiele (2021).

 Done but with moderated language, and only using one of the identical sources. STEMinfo (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Section “Research departments” is outdated

For example, Thomas Lengauer is no longer a director at MPI-INF., some departments have been dissolved and new ones founded. I suggest to replace the section except for the last two paragraphs with (all information available on the department's websites, e.g. D3):

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Research departments The institute consists of 6 six departments and 2 two independent research groups. Delete * [[Thomas Lengauer]] - computational biology and applied algorithmics department Danupon Nanongkai – Department Algorithms & Complexity (D1) Bernt Schiele – Computer Vision and Machine Learning (D2) Anja Feldmann – Internet Architecture (D3) Hans-Peter Seidel – Computer Graphics (D4) Gerhard Weikum – Databases and Information Systems (D5) Christian Theobalt – Visual Computing and Artificial Intelligence (D6) Christoph Weidenbach – Research group Automation of Logic (RG1) Yiting Xia – Network and Cloud Systems (RG2) The department Algorithms & Complexity (D1) was founded in 1988 by Kurt Mehlhorn and is now being run by Danupon Nanongkai. This group works on efficiency of algorithms, the correctness of software, and releases these findings as a software library. This group is recognized for developing the software library LEDA (Library of Efficient Data types and Algorithms), CGAL (Computational Geometry Algorithms Library) and SILVIA (Simulation Library for Virtual Reality and Interactive Applications. The department Computer Vision and Machine Learning (D2) was founded in 2010 and is run by Bernt Schiele. This department works on computer vision with the focus on the identification of objects and 3D descriptions of scenes, for example the area of multi-sensor-based context recognition in the area of ubiquitous and wearable computing. The department Internet Architecture (D3) was founded in 2018 and is run by Anja Feldmann. This department studies the architecture of the internet. This group works with the continual analysis of data and infrastructures, recognition of current bottlenecks, exploration of new possibilities for integration of the infrastructure, creation of new network management and security mechanisms, as well as examination of the infrastructure and how it’s dependencies can be more resiliently designed. The department Computer Graphics (D4) was founded in 1999 under the direction of Hans-Peter Seidel. This group works with the analysis and synthesis of three-dimensional images, as well as the creation of models and tools, that can be used to capture and process large volumes of image data. Moreover, this group develops and tests algorithms. The department Databases and Information Systems (D5) was founded in October 2003 by Gerhard Weikum. This department is concerned with the quality of internet-based information systems, with the goal of establishing methods of knowledge discovery. To this end concepts, models, and algorithms of different subject areas, e.g. computational linguistics and machine learning are combined. Different projects from this group have been published, showing the results of this research. Furthermore, this department has been the coordinator of the EU-Project Longitudinal Analytics of Web Archive Data since 2013. The department Visual Computing and Artificial Intelligence (D6) founded in 2021 is run by Christian Theobalt. This group researches intersectional topics of graphic data processing, computer vision, and artificial intelligence. The research group Automation of Logic (RG1) was founded September 2005, and is run by Christoph Weidenbach. This group works with automatic reasoning in logic. The research group Network and Cloud Systems (RG2) was founded in 2020 by Yiting Xia. Their research focus is the creation of high-performing and cost-efficient networks and systems for cloud computing, with the help of new hardware, network protocols, and applications.

 Partly done I tried to balance the poor sourcing with including something of interest to readers. I carefully parsed the language to let the reader know that they are reading information based on what's posted on the institute's web site, but not a reliable third party source. Also, I counted three research groups, not two. STEMinfo (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Section “Research departments” too broad

Mentioning Internationales Begegnungs- und Forschungszentrum für Informatik and the International Max Planck Research School for Computer Science in the section for “Research departments” doesn't make much sense. I would suggest moving the two paragraphs into separate sections. (Proposal below)

International Max Planck Research School for Computer Science no longer operational

IMPRS-CS has been succeeded by International Max Planck Research School on Trustworthy Computing (IMPRS-TRUST). I suggest introducing the following new section and removing the current paragraph from “Research departments”:

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International Max Planck Research School on Trustworthy Computing The International Max Planck Research School on Trustworthy Computing (IMPRS-TRUST) is a graduate program provided by the Max Planck Institute for Informatics, the Max Planck Institute for Software Systems (MPI-SWS), the informatics department of the Saarland University, and the informatics department at TU Kaiserslautern. This program promotes next generation scientists in an international research environment and leads them to a doctorate. The IMPRS-TRUST is the successor of the International Max Planck Research School for Computer Science (IMPRS-CS), a cooperation with Saarland University and the MPI-SWS, founded in 2000. This cooperation was led by Gerhard Weikum, and was active from 2001 to 2019.

The link in “External links” should also be replaced by

• International Max Planck Research School on Trustworthy Computing (IMPRS-TRUST)

 Partly done I replaced the external link, but am reluctant to add the other text without better sources. I feel I already went out on a limb enough by putting the departments and research groups up with the institute's self-source. It can be frustrating, but I'll make the argument that something as significant as replacing an entire institute department should have some independent coverage if it's notable enough to mention here. STEMinfo (talk) 19:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Schloss Dagstuhl outdated

Internationales Begegnungs- und Forschungszentrum für Informatik nowadays operates as Schloss Dagstuhl or Leibniz-Zentrum for Informatics. I suggest introducing a new broader section concerned with cooperations of the MPI-INF and removing the current paragraph from “Research departments”:

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Scope of research The Saarland Informatics Campus (SIC), comprised of the Max Planck Institute for Informatics (MPI-INF), the Max Planck Institute for Software Systems (MPI-SWS), the German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence (DFKI), the Schloss Dagstuhl – Leibniz-Zentrum for Informatics (LZI), the Center for Bioinformatics (ZBI), and the department of informatics at Saarland University, is one of the leading computer science research locations in Germany. This allows for many opportunities for further scientific qualifications.

The link in “External links” to Dagstuhl's website should also be removed.

 Not done No sources, and there's no reason given for removing the Dagstuhl link. STEMinfo (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

CS@max planck

Institutes of MPG concerned with computer science have founded a work group and jointly offer a graduate program. If this is considered worth mentioning, I suggest adding the following paragraph to the previously proposed section “Scope of Research”:

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Additionally, the Institute is affiliated with Computer Science Research at Max Planck Institutes (CS@MPI), along with the Max Planck Institute for Intelligent Systems (MPI-IS), the MPI-SWS, the Max Planck Institute for Security and Privacy (MPI-SP), the Max Planck Institute for Molecular Cell Biology and Genetics (MPI-CBG), and the Max Planck Institute for Molecular Genetics (MPI-MG). This alliance works with TU Kaiserslautern, the University of Stuttgart, Saarland University, as well as the University of Tübingen, to offer the graduate program CS@max planck.

I also suggest added a link to cs@max planck in “External links”:

• CS@max planck

 Not done echoing Spintendo below, no sources and thus no indication of notability. STEMinfo (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If references are missing, please feel free to reach out to me. K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 13:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC); edited 18:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC); edited 12:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC); edited 16:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Much of the provided references are sourced to the Max Planck Institute, meaning the bulk of this information is already available for readers to peruse on the Institute's websites. Per WP:NOTREPOSITORY, Wikipedia cannot act as a mirror for these sites. Regards,  Spintendo  21:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo: I've replaced and removed some sources. I'd appreciate if you could please point out which claims are still lacking sources and which sources are not acceptable.

Wikipedia is neither a mirror nor a repository of links, images, or media files.

I'm not sure I understand how this applies to the edit requests I made as I didn't add / link to images or media files and added links only in the form of references. I'd appreciate if you could please point out which sections you consider unfitting for a Wikipedia article. Thank you very much. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 13:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC); again 18:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, it states: Public domain or other source material such as entire books or source code, original historical documents, letters, laws, proclamations and other source material that are useful only when presented with their original, unmodified wording. Complete copies of primary sources may go into Wikisource, but not on Wikipedia. Information from the company published on their website is a primary source. That information may be paraphrased, but it is essentially identical to that found on the company's website. Just as a speech from a notable individual giving information about themselves would be considered an historical document, so would the press release information from a notable company giving information about itself be regarded as an historical document. Regards,  Spintendo  20:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo: I suppose you are referring to ‘Section “Research departments” is outdated’, would it be preferable to just state the directors' and departments' names? K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo: I've reduced the list of departments such that it now only states the departments' names and directors – as currently done in the article. Are there still unresolved issues? --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 12:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Re-attempting after having made modifications to the initial edit request. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 13:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

 Already done With regards to the Research departments section, I'm only prepared to add those names of department directors which are independently notable in Wikipedia. Currently , the only three listed in your request which meet that qualification are already listed in the article. Regards,  Spintendo  19:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Thanks for your reply. In this case I suggest removing the item concerning Thomas Lengauer. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 16:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Could you please tell me whether there are still outstanding issues that I have to address? K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 11:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Addressed issues pointed out by Spintendo. Additionally, no other outstanding issues were listed upon request. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Item removed.  Spintendo  19:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Thank you, but what about the other suggestions I made? K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 21:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Suggestions #Wrong date of formation, #First of its kind in MPG, #Awardees, #Section “Research departments” too broad, #International Max Planck Research School for Computer Science no longer operational, #Schloss Dagstuhl outdated, #CS@max planck from above.

As far as I can tell only #Section “Research departments” is outdated has been addressed yet. K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 22:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@K.M. (MPI-INF) They were not addressed because you did not place a new or unanswered {{Edit COI}} template within your request when you were ready to proceed. Now that you have done so, your request will be reviewed shortly. Regards,  Spintendo  22:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)