Talk:Noor al-Deen (detainee)

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hangon[edit]

An individual shipped around the world in the USA's secret extraordinary rendition program, who subsequently disappears is worthy of coverage on the wikipedia. Geo Swan (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

rename?[edit]

Geo? Can you suggest a rename? This seems like a textbook case of WP:BLP1E. RayTalk 20:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Noor al-Deen was:
  1. captured during the same raid as Abu Zubaydah and four of the first ten Guantanamo captives to face charges before Guantanamo military commissions.
  2. sent, by the CIA, to the same sites where other US captives were tortured.
  3. admired Abu Zubaydah, the info flowing from this naive, unworldly youth, who admired Abu Zubaydah apparently played a significant role in confirming US analysts that Abu Zubaydah was important -- when recent reports acknowledge he wasn't even a member of al Qaeda.
  4. was described by Abdullah Almalki as being held in the same prison were he was tortured.
  5. disappeared from sight since Almalki saw him in the Syrian prison.
So, if I understand BLP1E, its intent is that if an article on an individual could all be merged and redirected to a section of a larger article, without losing any important information, then that article should be merged.
But, it seems to me, if that individual really merits coverage in multiple other articles, there is no way that it can be shoehorned into one article. I suggest that is the case with Noor al-Deen, who merits mention in Abu Zubaydah, extraordinary rendition, black sites, Abdullah Almalki, Palestinian Branch prison.
I've stated this elsewhere. I think the BLP policy should be rewritten. Its clauses that protect individuals from being slandered, and protects the wikipedia from being sued for slander are important. They merit justifying administrators to delete offending material on sight. But concerns over whether individuals are notable for "one event" don't belong in this policy. The clauses over whether an individual is notable for "one event" should be moved to a different policy or guideline. This concern does not put the wikipedia at risk. Extreme measures are not justified -- IMO.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 22:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand WP:BLP1E, the intent is to "cover the event, not the person" for people primarily notable in the context of a singular event, in this case, his alleged capture and maltreatment by the CIA. By renaming the article to something suitable, we prevent the article from straying too far from that event. So, not necessarily a merge, but maybe a separate article in itself. That was the principle operating, say, when I moved Iain Hook to Death of Iain Hook, as he was primarily notable for the way he died. Detainment of Noor al-Deen doesn't flow well off the tongue, however, and I was wondering if you could suggest something along those lines that might sound more congruous while being true to the spirit of the event. RayTalk 03:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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