Talk:Oberlerchner Mg 23

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1955-1962[edit]

According to Jane's, the prototype was called the Mg 23 and the production aircraft the Mg 23 SL, first flying in 1955 and 1962 respectively. The clear implication is that there were no production aircraft between 1955 and 1962. In the absence of citable evidence to the contrary, and the general reliability of Jane's, I've gone with that. However, 7 years seems a long development time and that worries me. There is some evidence to support the idea of Mg 23 production in that period. Perhaps the strongest is from the US registered Mg 23, N6729C, which was registered in 1958 (so not an SL) with cn 007. Less strong is from three Austrian registrations, not dated but noted as Musger Mg 23s (all Mg 23s and 23 SLs on the Partington list are under Musger)), not Mg 23 SLs, with cns 005, 006 and 008. The 23/23SL labels may not be reliable and we don't get the registration dates, but these data together suggest that the first 8 aircraft were Mg 23s. cn 009 is down as a Mg 23 SL.

Does anyone have citable evidence for or against this case?TSRL (talk) 11:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mg 23 01 OE-0314
Mg 23 02 OE-0338
Mg 23 03 OE-0342
Mg 23 04 OE-0343
Mg 23 05 OE-0425
Mg 23 06 OE-0407
Mg 23 07 N6729C
Mg 23 08 OE-0408
Mg 23SL 09 OE-0573
Mg 23SL 10 OE-0598
Mg 23SL 10 PH-1346
Mg 23SL 11 ?
Mg 23SL 12 OE-0626
Mg 23SL 13 OE-0600
Mg 23SL 14 OE-0627
Mg 23SL 15 OE-0664
Mg 23SL 16 OE-0661
Mg 23SL 17 OE-0690
Mg 23SL 18 N1155Q
Mg 23SL 19 N1156Q
Mg 23SL 20 OE-0692
Mg 23SL 21 OE-0770
Mg 23SL 22 OE-0790
Mg 23SL 23 OE-0766
Mg 23SL 24 OE-0752
Mg 23SL 25 HB- 833
Mg 23SL 26 OE-0791

Mean as custard (talk) 12:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting! Where did you find these? Any associated dates?TSRL (talk) 13:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe he found this List in Issue 46 of "Blätter für Technikgeschichte", published by Vienna's technical Museum. This Issue is devoted to Erwin Musgers aircraft and motorcycle designs. Zaungast8 (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What we need is a citable source that puts the total production as 26; at present this number is unsupported. Jane's may well be wrong but we need citable evidence.TSRL (talk) 13:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is more on the Mg23 and Oberlerchner in a couple of later Jane's. Next time I'm in my local library I'll dig them out; they may well just be repeats of the 1966/7 piece but they might have picked up an error.TSRL (talk) 17:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above compiled from various sources (original research so uncitable). The type is not covered in my only copy of Janes which is 1969/70, but the quoted total of 94 is clearly wrong and should not be used even though it comes from a usually-reliable source. The eight original Mg 23s were completed over several years so could be considered the first production version? . . Mean as custard (talk) 12:46, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]