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History Section and Much of Article Needs Rewrite

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There's definitely a problem with the history section when 1/4 of it refers to the humorous (although inaccurate) take on Parma by local tv comedians. The reference to Ghoulardi, Big Chuck, etc should be removed from the history section and added to a pop culture section if anywhere at all. Also, with several historical books on Parma available at the local libraries, one even by former Parma mayor James Day, why are these books not being used as sources, particularly for the history section? This section, along with the majority of the article, needs serious updating and a greater reliance should be made to cite some of those historical books. --JSmetana (talk) 04:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stearns Homestead Photo

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Why is Stearns Homestead museum listed as the photo for Parma? Parma is not a farm community and the photo does little to accurately represent Parma. Why not a photo of the historic shopping area around Snow/Ridge or a nice Cleveland skyline view from Parma's State/W. Ridgewood intersection? The skyline view, for instance, would likely be most appropriate to indicate Parma is one of the Cleveland area's suburbs. --JSmetana (talk) 03:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Parma's safety

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The article says, "See the history section of this article for possible reasons for this decline," but I don't really see any relevant information in the history section, unless the reason for the decline is political scandals and sagging power lines. --Birdhombre 14:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The city blowed away thousands of dollars on the Witch Hunt. The police cancelled DARE, have not replaced the police dog, and have less than 100 officers, even thoug the FBI said that Parma should have 165 officers to adequately protect a city of its size. The city has lost more officers, including ranking officers, than it has replaced. Thus, the facts are that the services and abilities and number of officers have decreased over the past few years and one would have to think that these things collectively do not help. Best, --24.154.173.243 01:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cleveland Magazine has a safety ranking (along with education stats, housing figures, etc) each year for each Cleveland suburb - why doesn't this information make its way into the article? While Cleveland Magazine's ranking system has its own unique set of problems in calculating safety (ie. can they really use the same measure to accurately compare a much larger city of approx 82,000 to a city of 15,000 or one with 20,000?), including it would definitely be more informative for the general public than relying on a ranking in 2006 from an relatively obscure and now seemingly defunct research group. Cleveland Magazine's annual rating the suburbs issue (June) is readily available at the local library. --JSmetana (talk) 17:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

recent changes

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I've recently deleted much of the unsourced information per WP:ATT, though I left some of the stuff that is seemingly verifiable. I also removed the more non-notable sections, especially the sections on police chiefs, and the section on the police investigations, neither of which is sourced reliably, nor encyclopedic or notable. I also removed the current events tag at the top: a city cannot be a current event.

My advice is if you want to include the section on the police investigations, with reliable sources, that should be it's own article, which you COULD have a current event tag on. At this point however, it doesn't have enough reliable sources to be includable. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 22:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll move the current event tag to the right place. Best, --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 23:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's unfortunate the "references in popular culture" was removed. Better it had been left with "citation needed" added. swain 01:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay; I've reverted the edit that removed that section as I agree with your opinion here and the editor who did remove it has recently left Wikipedia anyway, so there is probably no dispute regarding it. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! thanks! swain 00:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Have a nice night! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 06:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

semiprotection

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Due to IP address vandalism in this article, I have semiprotected the article for 1 week. After 1 week this protection will automatically expire. If for some reason it does not, or if you are an IP address user or otherwise prevented from constructively editing this page, please leave a message on my talk page and I will temporarily remove the protection to allow you to edit. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 22:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not necessary as in just a few moments, I was able to find all kinds of references to pretty much everything under dispute online. You and the anonymous people seemed to quick to revert when some quick web searches seems to resolve everything and even uncovers some interesting new information. Heck, I had all but forgotten about that water crisis that accompanied the black out and was surprised it wasn't included, because I recall the TV news calling it the "worst water crisis" in Cuyahoga County's history! Cheers! --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 23:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please finish the following and restore to this article as I found this to be very useful. Thank you. --172.163.239.44 02:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chiefs of Police

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Lester Roper?-?
Francis Szabo?-1994
Gary Palinkas1994-2000
Mark Manning2000-2003
Danny Hoffman2003-present

Council Presidents

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Paul Phillips

Kenneth Kuczma
Pat Altier
Charles M. Germana – present

Current City Council

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Council President: Charles M. Germana

Ward 1: Mary Buchholz Galinas

Ward 2: Sean Brennan - President Pro-Tempore

Ward 3: Nicholas J. Celebrezze

Ward 4: Brian Day - Majority Leader

Ward 5: Tom Regas

Ward 6: Lawrence J. Napoli

Ward 7: Kenneth A. Ramser

Ward 8: Scott M. Tuma

Ward 9: Roy J. Jech

Proposed addition to education section

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It might be worth mentioning that John Muir Elementary School, a very old school in Parma, caught on fire at one point within the past 20 years and has since agressively remodelled the school and its grounds. I'm not aware of any other school fires in the city and its remodelling is consistent with other major remodelling projects, such as the ongoing Greening of Padua. I don't remember the exact dates and what all has been done, but were someone willing to contact the school or local newspapers, I'm sure the information is out there and again this was a noteworthy event for the city and its educational history. --164.107.223.217 00:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible big news about city government sitting on investigation until after yet another tax passes?

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Hello! There’s fairly widespread media attention this week to the possibility that the mayor’s administration may have tried covering up or keeping hush about some internal police investigation until after the police levy passed in an election. Maybe, 164, Wizardman, Swatjester, or Wikipedian, can do something with the below links. I don’t think the sex allegations is the real news, because if you look at the forums and stuff where actual residents react, they seem far more incensed about the crap being known well in advance of the levy, but kept secret, especially because as Americans who believe in innocent until proven guilty, I don’t think we should assume the allegations are true when indictments haven’t even happened yet, but it does seem pretty well factual that higher ups were aware of this for like a month and it is conveniently made news after the election? --172.162.183.107 16:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parma officers investigated in sex case: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/05/parma_officers_investigated_in.html

Parma cops recommended for termination: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/05/parma_cops_recommended_for_ter.html

Officers Accused Of Sexual Misconduct While On Duty: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/13339646/detail.html

Allegations of sexual misconduct against two Parma officers: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=67788

Parma police sex scandal: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=67949

Parma Police Officers Accused of Having Sex on Duty: http://www.woio.com/Global/category.asp?C=4397

Chief Says Suspended Officers Should Be Fired: http://www.myfoxcleveland.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=5D814F76201CC4301D5F355988403A43?contentId=3237259&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Parma PD at it again: http://community.myfoxcleveland.com/blogs/brian6970/2007/05/17/Parma_PD_at_it_again

2 Parma Officers on Paid Leave for Misconduct Allegations: http://www.myfoxcleveland.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3215088&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Here's an update to the above editor's postings:

Parma patrolmen fired over sex allegation: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/05/two_patrolmen_accused_of_havin.html

Parma police officers fired: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=68480

Ex-Parma cop charged with rape: http://blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2007/05/exparma_cop_charged_with_rape.html

Parma police badly need, deserve taxpayer help: http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1180514137194890.xml&coll=2

I'm not sure of the encyclopedic value of this, as you seemed shaky, too other than perhaps the whole city hall tension continuing. What do others think? --164.107.223.217 22:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, this is probably abotu the same notability as that whole witch hunt thingy.--Wizardman 14:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I say wait and see how it plays out. I think in indictments with a grand jury are planned for some time this week, so we'll see if it becomes a bigger news story or if just fades away. I agree though, to avoid another edit dispute on this page, it would probably be best that if anyone decides to do anything with this it be one of the administrators like Wizardman or SwatJster. Happy Memorial Day! --164.107.223.217 18:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Raising this to the next level

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I've moved a couple of sections and had a look at the article. It's pretty well sourced so far, and might be fun to help raise to GA. Three things to work on would be:

  • WP:NPOV#Undue weight - the current text emphasizes negative elements about Parma. If its public image really is predominantly negative, then neutrality ought to reflect that. Yet it seems that more than a fair share of space is going into relatively minor events, compared to the depth of overall coverage about this city.
  • Images - more images would be helpful, both photographs by Wikipedians and public domain scans of material from Parma's early history. Look for material published 1922 or earlier; that should be free now.
  • Introduction - an article this size should have a good three paragraph introduction.

Good work so far. Although I'm nowhere near Ohio, I'd be glad to lend a hand with image cropping/rotation, copyediting, and things like that. Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the undue weight, upon re-reading i was thinking this. Some of the witch hunt stuff could be reduced quite a bit, or at least knock out the unneeded unsourced stuff. Images I think I may be able to get personally. As for the Intro, WP:LEADs are my weak point, but I think others could handle it. Wizardman 21:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can see if I have any pictures from when I lived in Parma over the weekend maybe. I would recommend merging the witch hunt and gas station ghost into the history section. I'll be bold and try that now. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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I found this in my email today as one of those chain youtube links people send, so not sure if its getting enough coverage to warrant anything. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing problem

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I have tried adding the following reference tonight, but every time I attempt to do so, I get some kind of spam filter error thing about some link, which is odd, because the reference I am trying to add isn't even a link. Anyway, Michael Moore discusses Parma's GM plant in Michael Moore, Downsize This (New York: HarperCollins, 1997), 283. I figure it's relevant to either or both the economy and popular culture sections. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The Ides of March"

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Perhaps the person who wrote that could explain why using that phrase to identify a date is more informative or efficient than simply writing "March 15." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.160.30.137 (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Boyfriend

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Hes my bf who lives thereeee 24.212.15.182 (talk) 13:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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