Talk:Patriot camps

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Ban Ki-moon[edit]

On July 23, 2007, the U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed concern that Georgia’s decision to open a patriotic camp at Ganmukhuri could fuel tensions between the two sides. In response, Georgian officials accused Ban Ki-moon of seeking to appease Russia. Georgian Foreign Minister Gela Bezhuashvili and newly appointed Conflict Resolution Minister Davit Bakradze said the U.N. should concentrate on "major issues," such as the repatriation of Georgian displaced persons referring to the victims of the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia.[2]

This has nothing to do with the Patriot camps. It is already mentioned that the camps are criticized. Tamokk 07:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I mean Georgia's answer to the UN is irrelevant. If you want you can add that conderns have been expressed UN

You have somewhat a strange understanding of NPOV. ALL sides should be represented in the article. And Georgia;s reaction is exactly relevant to the issue. It was reported by major Western media sources. The fact that the UN is staffed by such morons enables your beloved Muscovy to annex Abkhazia and legitimize ethnic cleansing conducted there. --Kober^Talk 07:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you want to emphasize that the summer camps for the teenagers are politized? Tamokk 07:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are not they? When the UN gen sec mentions it in his report, this is the highest level of politicization. Saakashvili's government uses them for PR. This is relatively benign though. More malignantly, Russo-Abkhaz alliance exploits them as a pretext to strengthen military presence around the area.--Kober^Talk 07:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the wording. So, now that exchange of statements is raised into a one controversy, rather than presented as different perspectives on the Patriot camps. Tamokk 07:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job, but what does "the pacification of Russia" mean? --Kober^Talk 07:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

appeasing and pacification are quite synonyms, I thought. Tamokk 08:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly. Anyway, I see no point in arguing over one word. Can I ask (without any animosity or reproach) where your pro-Russian sentiments come from? --Kober^Talk 08:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Russia great. We should reunite and we'll be great then too. I just wanted to change the "to appease", which I thought was grammatically inccorect in there at that wording. Tamokk 08:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reunite with Russia???? That is to become Gruzinsaya Avtonomnaya Respublika within the Russian Federation? God forbid! And in which way Russia is great?? Tell me that you are joking, Dimitri, pleeease!--Kober^Talk 08:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well why not? Or maybe not, because Georgians don't want to. I don't care really. I've got to go now. c u sometime. Tamokk 08:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

მაგარ ჭკუაზე ხარ შენ საცოდავო! Iberieli 18:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The incident[edit]

I think Georgian officials can interpret videos no better then we can. In this video we can only see Russians arresting Georgians. Are there any other videos?Tamokk 06:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I'll watch it once more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamokk (talk • contribs) 06:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but what you think about the video is hardly of any relevance here. It has been taken by the Russians themselves but captured by the Georgian journalist Emma Gogokhia. The video has been shown to the whole world and was aired by BBC and CNN. I was once told by a fellow Russian nationalist here that Russians should not give a damn about how the world thinks, but still... --Kober^Talk 06:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the first the video is obviously montaged. It only shows the act of arrest and almost nothing more, and it is absolutely unclear what led to the arrest. That the video was aired on BBC and CNN is irrelevant here. Tamokk 06:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the true purpose of Russian military presence in the region and the Russian style of "peacekeping" are also unclear to you. Sorry, I cannot help you. --Kober^Talk 07:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What content creators? This article was started by me before you came here with your political POV, which you still want to maintain. CNN and BBC showed yes? LOL :) Just like Rose Revolution, and that bus from tsalenjikha? Tamokk 06:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You theories about the video are also irrelevant here while your agenda is obvious from your political views expressed on this page and also from not quite healthy (sorry for saying this) escapades like "Where is Saakashvili?". I don't really know how else to explain your anything. Perhaps I should try to do it in another language. Can I ask what your native tongue is? --Kober^Talk 06:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When I said "content creaters", I meant those who try to help wikipedia expand its coverage of Georgia by creating hundreds of articles about the country's history and culture other than entries like liberast.--Kober^Talk 06:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Refrain from personal insults. I am possibly second most prolific Georgian wikipedian here.

Also what do you want? I am just fulfilling my duty as a KGB internet squad agent. Of course I know what was the real course of events: Russians captured the policemen of Georgia in Ganmukhuri, the site of the Camp Patriot. Then the Great Batka of all Georgians came by and Russians released the POWs. So everything's fine. Why are you angry? Tamokk 08:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great batka? lool. Eh, Tamokk... you're confusing Georgia with its certain neighbor, pal. I'm not angry at all, but I feel a bit of discomfort when I talk with the self-proclaimed dead guys with a political POV, especially those who passed away in the bitter-sweet year of 1991.:) --Kober^Talk 08:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, the Great Mamamarchenali. Sorry. Tamokk 08:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know you do not like Russian language. Tamokk 08:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really? And I thought it was the language of my favorite writers Bulgakov and Chekhov. And I don't consider the President to be my mamamarchenali. He's just a guy whom I employed when I did vote for him, and he does his job with a mixed success. Georgia is a democracy, buddy. Sixteen years have passed since you passed away. :) --Kober^Talk 08:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did, I did. Sixteen years man! Frankly, I do not understand the avant-garde language of yours, but I think I have heard about democracy. The country in which I was born also was a democracy, and this was clearly stated in its constitution. Tamokk 09:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I know... You have once displayed your own program how Georgia can become "greater" and more democratic. God forbid! I'm sorry; I have to go now to continue my cycle of articles about Georgian kings. But remember: Big Brother is watching you and this page. :)--Kober^Talk 09:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I do not have a big brother. Good luck with a King. Tamokk 09:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]