Talk:Potential Tropical Cyclone Seventeen-E

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Potential Tropical Cyclone Seventeen-E/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Editoneer (talk · contribs) 08:36, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Section[edit]

tropical disturbance, cyclone? Done

It never became a cyclone. I linked to Tropical_cyclone_scales#Atlantic,_Eastern_and_Central_Pacific which has somewhat of an explanation. Noah^Talk 13:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain what a Convection, I'm reading the link and I still don't understand. Done

The term thunderstorm activity is used interchangeably according to NOAA so I will add that in. Hopefully that makes it easier to understand. Noah^Talk 13:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

pressure of 1,005 mbar (29.68 inHg)., so... it's a severe storm? I know that atmospheric pressure means at what rate does winds fly by, but I still don't know how severe is supposed to be.

No... the winds of the storm were 35 mph (55 km/h) (depression intensity) and the pressure is not directly related to winds. Lower pressure means a storm is more severe generally, but winds don't directly relate to pressure. Normal pressure is 1013.25 mbar... this low-pressure system had a slightly lower 1005 mbar pressure. The strongest hurricane on Earth had 870 mbar. If it would have become more organized and developed into a tropical cyclone, it would have either become a tropical depression or a low-end tropical storm. It wasn't that severe of a storm in winds or pressure. The main reason it was severe was its heavy rainfall. Hope that explains some things. Noah^Talk 13:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So... in the end, this pressure calculates how strong a system is starting from 870 and how weak a system is capped at 1013.25 mbar? The pressure calculate how thick a hurricane is? Because a hurricane's power is calculated by how fast is spin, so this is it? Editoneer (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the tl;dr section here. It may help explain how a system strengthens. A storm isn't capped at any pressure, but low-pressure ones would generally be less than normal atmospheric pressure. A "hurricane's power" (the impact to land) depends on many factors... Noah^Talk 18:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

caused rivers to spill their banks, didn't they spill over the banks? Done

Spill already means to go over the edge of a container, so adding over would be redundant. Noah^Talk 13:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meteorological history[edit]

Is there a reason why it was formed in the eastern Pacific Ocean and not in the Atlantic as usual? Done

The National Hurricane Center doesn't specify this, but it is not unusual at all for storms to form in the Eastern Pacific Ocean. There were 25 systems that formed there in 2018. Although the NHC doesn't state why this one didn't develop there, it's likely because there was an unfavorable environment in the Atlantic or some kind of moisture influx happened after the system crossed over Central America that allowed it to become more potent. It never became a tropical cyclone period, but it definitely got close in the eastern Pacific. That's just my speculation. Noah^Talk 17:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So... a ridge is something related to high pressure area.... and an anticyclone forms in a high pressure area... this is why the system dissipated, because of high pressure area? Done

No... the ridge is what steered the system. The storm moved along the southwestern edge of the ridge. The storm degraded and dissipated because of land interaction (it moved ashore). Noah^Talk 17:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh... they're the winds outside of an anticyclone as I'm reading from the Wikipedia article... got it. Editoneer (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Impact[edit]

Where exactly is Barra de Tonala? Done

I think I found the appropriate link to it's municipality Noah^Talk 18:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why is it called Barra de?

Better question is, why are you asking about this? It doesn't matter and the reasoning behind the name should not be in the article at all. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 20:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nova Crystallis:, You're right about that, sorry, I believed it should've been addressed as it was a red link and it only say the final part and not Barra de. I wanted to make extra sure to not create any confusion and to see if it should be mentioned deeper or just let it be like that. Now I understand is a mistake, thanks and sorry. Now I rarely see any nominator-reviewer-2ndopinion_reviewer interactions, if I personally angered you just tell me, thank you. Editoneer (talk) 05:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Escondido, is linked to a disambiguation page. Done

Fixed. Noah^Talk 18:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

km 51+740, ~~I'm personally concerned, did the rain fall like meteors or it's a widespread rain? You did tell me the storm was severe because of the rainfall but I didn't expect that!~~ What does that mean where you need to add a math calculation and can't add it up to 791? Why is the km on the opposite side? Not done

I honestly don't know what SMN/Conagua means by this. It is some kind of location in Oaxaca (shown on that map), but it is very vague. I would assume it would be km 51 of some state or local highway called 740. Given this is a map, I can't just assume what it means. Noah^Talk 18:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[7] to [29] can it be translated so I can get with precision what I need from there? And if the information can be pinpointed to the sentence, if you can.

I can't paste translations of works here as it would be a copyright violation. Please use [1] to check for verifiability. Noah^Talk 18:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

of the swollen river, I feel that personification shouldn't be here.

That's not really a personification. Swollen river simply means a river that contains much more water than normal. Noah^Talk 18:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you meant the river inflated... I thought that swollen is only something a living organism can have... but you're right. Editoneer (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

70 m (230 ft) deep gully. A ravine? I haven't heard of a gully this deep before. Done

A gully is a ravine. Noah^Talk 18:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, a ravine is always bigger than a gully. Like how a rock is bigger than a boulder but the difference is subjectively trivial. Editoneer (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, good luck. Editoneer (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologises, I need to put it on 2ndopinion, sorry for any problems and thanks for cooperating to the end. Editoneer (talk) 05:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second Opinion from LightandDark2000[edit]

I will be the second reviewer for this GAN. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, I don't think that any of the remaining word choice "issues" above need to be addressed. The article just needs to be understood by the average reader, not every single person on the planet. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Link the first instance of tropical cyclone.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For "Potential Tropical Cyclone", unlink tropical cyclone and link to Potential Tropical Cyclone. We have an entry for this term in our weather glossary article.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that "Mexico", "Guatemala", and "El Salvador" should all be linked during their first mentions in the lead.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meteorological history

Link thunderstorm.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The MH doesn't really say much about why the NHC issued the Potential Tropical Cyclone designation. Since this terminology is still a rather new one, I would mention the storm's imminent threat to land areas (tropical storm conditions forecast within 48 hours), in addition to the likely cyclogenesis.

I found it. Though you might want to tie that to the NHC's decision to designate the system. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adjusted. Noah^Talk 22:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Impacts

A tropical storm watch was issued at 03:00 UTC on October 16 for the southern coast of Mexico from Barra de Tonala to Puerto Escondido since Seventeen-E was forecast to become a tropical storm before moving ashore. Add a comma after "Mexico" and another one after "Puerto Escondido".

Done. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chapala river "River" should be capitalized, since it is a part of a name.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a 24-hour rainfall of Change "rainfall" to "rainfall total".

Changed. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One person was missing in the country. I would change "was missing" to "went missing" or "was reported missing".

Did the latter. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A landslide in Mejicanos buried three homes, however, no fatalities occurred there. Comma-splice error. Change the comma after "homes" to a semicolon.

Okay. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

trapping a cargo truck; the driver managed to escape the truck You could change "truck; the driver managed to escape the truck" to "truck, but the driver managed to escape". It accomplishes the same point.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Ilopango, one of the evacuated areas, at least 250 families were threatened by a 70 m (230 ft) deep gully. Why were they threatened by the gully? Did it open up while they were there?

Yes, it opened up during the storm but the sources that say so aren't reliable for WP, which is a problem with Mexico and Central America. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

the villages of La Cañada, El Icaco and El Limón. Add a comma after "El Icaco".

Done. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link Bean.

Linked. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a peak rainfall total of 150 mm (5.9 in) was reported in Puerto de San José and 133 mm (5.2 in) occurred in Flores, Petén. Add a comma after "Puerto de San José".

Done. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Throughout the nation, 1 person was killed, 2 people wounded, and 216 people were evacuated. Part of this sentence was a little awkward. Change "2 people wounded" to "2 people were wounded". ~~Also, you can write out the numbers for values below 10. (I think this might be a requirement on Wikipedia.)~~

Never mind the second part. I agree that it's better not to confuse people by mixing in words with numerical values. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed that wording issue. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a significant increase in the Villalobos river. I would add "height of" or "level of" after "in", to make it more clear. Also, "river" should be capitalized.

Fixed both. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

occurred there. I would change this to "occurred in the area". Or else, some readers may assume that you're referring to the river.

Done. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A three car accident Change "three car" to "three-car".

Fixed. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

President Jimmy Morales Change "President" to "Guatemalan President". To make it more clear which country he's leading.

Okay. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See also

I won't make this a requirement, but maybe also add some other EPAC storms that had similar impacts in the same areas. Also, you might want to consider adding Potential Tropical Cyclone Ten, once I get that article published.

The problem is that there aren't any good analogs for this system since it wasn't a TC. I can add that PTC once it is up. Noah^Talk 22:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These are all of the issues that I have found. The article is very close to attaining GA status; a little more polishing work is needed before it can be formally promoted. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Great job. I'm going to ✓ Pass the article. Congratulations on yet another GA! This one was fast. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]