Talk:Max & Ruby

Parents?

Where are these dudes parents? If they're realy never around the kids could go to social servicas and the show would get canceled! YAY! And Ruby is so self-centered.

In the article it says that Max and Ruby are the only ones to appear in every episode, but as is stated before, their grandmother has appeared before. The family portrait in the living room is of the grandparents, not the parents. And there are plenty of other characters that appear on the show, such as Ruby's friends Louise, Roger, and others.

In an interview with the creator, Rosemary Wells, on the Noggin website, she says, "As in most other classic stories, we don't see Max and Ruby's parents, because I believe that kids resolve their issues and conflicts differently when they are on their own." Here is the whole interview with Rosemary Wells. --Mansquito (talk) 22:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting source. Link is down so here is an archive if anyone wants to cite it:

• "Meet Rosemary Wells, the Author of Max & Ruby". N O G G I N: For Parents: Shows: Max & Ruby. Archived from the original on 16 April 2007. we don't see Max and Ruby's parents, because I believe that kids resolve their issues and conflicts differently when they are on their own

Could be useful in the 'story' section. ScratchMarshall (talk) 20:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Who Sings the Theme Song?

The female singer really sounds like it could be Natalie Cole. But I'm not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.20.171 (talk) 16:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Episodes vs Vignettes

The episode count based on a 30 minute run time is incorrect. This is the number of vignettes (3 per episode, excluding the pilot). The episode lists for each season is also worded incorrectly. This needs to be cleaned up. -- Robocoder (t|c) 10:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the episode count, but in the season 1-3 lists, it still reads "episodes" instead of "vignettes". Perhaps these could be combined into one list and then reorganized... -- Robocoder (t|c) 11:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The episode lists now read Vignettes for section titles. -- Robocoder (t|c) 15:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Grammar

This article has about 358246 run-on sentences, especially when describing the characters. I'm thinking this should be fixed.

Max is NOT autistic/special needs. What is the source of this misinformation?

In interviews with the author of the book series there is no mention of Max being autistic/special needs. What is the source of this misinformation? It is skewing the appropriateness of the entire article. Angelkg77 (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Seems a curious suggestion - agreed that without a source it seems out of place in the article. Have taken the initiative and removed both references. Bonusballs (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know from what come 189.216.180.201 (talk) 04:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Set in a different decade?

I've noticed several things on this show that make it seem like it is set somewhere in the 1950's or 60's. For example...they listen to radio programs rather than watching television, the prints/patterns of their furniture don't seem very modern,and the characters' names: Ruby, Louise, Martha, Valerie, Max, Morris, Roger...don't seem like modern-day names for kids. Is this show supposed to be set in a different time frame? Olsentwinluv4ever (talk) 01:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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These are interesting questions, but unless we have a source actually commenting on the lack of television sets, there isn't a basis for including it since it would be OR. This does make me interested in knowing if any of the newer episodes might depict a TV or any sort of modern technology. I don't think old-style prints/patterns or names hold the same sort of import. I think a lot of these names are still used. ScratchMarshall (talk) 20:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

If it helps, I noticed an instant camera being used in "Ruby's Photo Op", this was a technology popularized in 1948, so I'd set that as a starting point for "earliest" unless anyone noticed any other technology (computers, color television?) which would support a later era as minimum. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:33, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

We cannot say what decade the show takes place in unless reliable sources directly state what decade the show takes place in. Piecing together details to try to come up with a date is synthesis, which is against Wikipedia's policies. (Additionally, the show takes place where rabbits speak English. That hasn't happened in this universe, as far as I know.) - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree we'd need to see it in a source, although knowing what details could be tied to IRL invention dates could help when searching for sources which may mention them. Other shows like Arthur have English-speaking anthro animals yet otherwise try to mirror our history. ScratchMarshall (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Whether you've decided that this children's cartoon takes place in the real world or not is irrelevant. As is common with kid' shows it is very unlikely that they tried to have a specific year for the show, as they want it to be relatable for audiences for years to come.

If you have a reliable source which directly states when the show is meant to take place, we would have something. Otherwise, you are working on synthesis that we cannot use in the article. - SummerPhD^v2.0 18:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Has Max and Ruby ended?

Has Max and Ruby ending? or Did the 5th season just end? Since there has not been no new episodes since February of this year. - Stormisstar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormisstar (talk • contribs) 15:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Stormisstar (talk) 15:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal of character content

In this edit I removed a bunch of content that was obviously submitted with good intentions by 108.26.68.167. It's nothing personal. The content removed doesn't seem to focus on significant characters and roles, rather it seems to be about minor animals and toys. Per Wikipedia's Manual of Style for Television, "Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list: Not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed". For this reason I don't think the content belongs in the article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the removal, and have re-removed the latest addition. Deli nk (talk) 12:11, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Max & Ruby 0004

Is This Episode Of Max & Ruby Real? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.250.229 (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

173.29.250.229 Can you be more specific? Are you referring to "Camp Out / Ruby's Clubhouse / Max's Picnic" ? I don't see it here, here or here, but I do see it here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Some People Said, "This Max & Ruby Episode Can Only Be Found On A DVD.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.250.229 (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Date confirmation

Can someone please confirm what date it premiered on Treehouse TV, and Nick Jr.? We supposedly have one for Nick Jr. but some sources say it aired October 21 instead of 22. And for Treehouse, there's a thousand dates and I can't seem to find a "Max and Ruby premiere" article anywhere. Palettepony895 (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding onto this, a video on YouTube featuring continuity from Nick Jr. states that the show apparently premiered on January 6, 2003, so if someone could get down to this I'd like that. Palettepony895 (talk) 01:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

claim of Ruby and Louise being 8

Need a source for this. Website still says she and Louise are 7. ScratchMarshall (talk) 22:21, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@SummerPhDv2.0: I noticed you weighed in on this in special:diff/824368316. Today I watched the season 2 episode "Ruby's Surprise Party" (episode 24) which is about Ruby organizing a surprise birthday party for Louise.

Unfortunately it is heavily lacking in context as they do not actually state any character ages. There are 11 candles on the cake, which I'll not read too much into because season 2 also includes "Roger's Choice" (episode 20) with:

Ruby: "He's nearly seven and a half."

Louise "A whole half year older than we are."

and Louise being 4 years older in the same season is hard to accept.

More than likely, Louise either was 6 and turned 7 in season 2 or was 7 from the start and turned 8 in season 2.

This might be the origin of the idea that Ruby is also a year older, because Louise's "than we are" makes her and Ruby sound to be roughly the same age, both of them being less than 7.5 but older than 7.0.

Just because RC precedes RSP in debut order (9 October 2003 v 13 April 2004) wouldn't necessarily mean that in-universe that is the order of the events. But considering that they aired 6 months apart, that could mean that time passes in-universe at twice the rate it does IRL, which would probably make sense considering how short bunny lifespans are.

Season 3 (episode 32, 4 May 2007 "Surprise Ruby", "Ruby's Birthday Party", "Ruby's Birthday Present") is probably where the idea that Ruby got a year older comes from. I haven't actually watched this yet so I'll have to check to see if they actually mention how many years old she is, or see how many candles her cake has, to figure out if there's anything worth citing there. Much like episode 24, without watching I don't know if this is Ruby going from 6>7 or 7>8 or possibly something else.

Assuming that season 2 events happen prior to season 3 events this might mean that Louise is slightly older than Ruby but that's not in stone. I don't know if there is anything to go by in-universe which establishes any actual order-of-events of episodes in respect to each other. For all I know, everything in season 3 happens before season 1? Unless later episodes actually make references to past events having occurred there is no knowing. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

It is likely that the episodes are not intended to be in any particular order. Especially with shows for younger children, the intention is generally for them to be viewed by an ever-changing audience, with individual viewers joining and leaving the audience as they age in and out of the viewing age. Shows my niece watched several years ago she now sees as being too "babyish" for her, but they are brand new for her younger brother.

As a result, the ages of the characters are pretty much the same throughout the show's entire run. Heck, Charlie Brown has been in elementary school for something like 50 years now. If a character has a birthday episode, it establishes only that the character is roughly that age throughout the show.

Running up against this is obsessive editing. On occasion, there are editors coming through Wikipedia with a "special interest" in fictional characters' ages. Through whatever means, they arrive at ages for virtually every character in dozens of kids' TV shows, movies and books. If the articles don't have ages, they'll add them. If the articles have ages, they'll change them to match whatever they have decided. The only real way to handle this is to remove unsourced ages and follow the editor's edits throughout to do the same. On occasion, sources discussing the creators' creative and/or pedagogical intentions are discussed and we can cite something definitive. (This same idea applies to the grandmother discussion below). - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

It is frustrating, I want to AGF but then you have people and their fanfics which force us to question it even on very non-controversial topics like this. This is why I hope we can encourage good referencing so if stuff like this does turn out to be based somewhere in canon, it can be properly clarified, and why it's good we at least discuss what is being removed in case it prompts someone more in the know to connect the dots for us in the future. ScratchMarshall (talk) 22:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Mr. Bunny being Grandma's son

I see no source listed for this. Anyone know which episode clarifies which parent's mother Grandma is? Statement implies she is paternal grandmother not maternal grandmother but no source listed. ScratchMarshall (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

My guess would be that the intention was to have a grandmother figure in the show to model generational relationships. Whether it is mom's mom or dad's mom would be irrelevant to that intention and leaving that unspecified would allow for children to see themselves in the show more easily. Unless it is clearly specified in the show or -- much better -- a secondary source, we should leave it out. Much like the ages, individual viewers have likely added their own guesses here. - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I've been doing some digging and so far the earliest change I can find in regards to this is special:diff/737469767 made 3 September 2016 by User:2605:6000:3d8e:2700:e49d:5d27:5f83:25b8. Today in special:diff/825353157 while fact-tagging the claim "(paternal, learned in Season 6)" I checked the debut date. List of Max & Ruby episodes#Season 6 (2016–17) says it was 18 September 2016 that season 6 began... so if it had been this season to introduce this info, I'm not really sure how this information could have been gleaned from it 15 days prior to it airing. I just finished Preschool/Sleepover and there was no reference. Will try Ruby's Teacher / Art Time next. Both aired today. ScratchMarshall (talk) 23:00, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Watched "Fun in the Sun" this week, and Max and Ruby's mom mentions something like "Grandma taught me to boogie board when I was your age" to Ruby and Louise. This isn't proof of anything but seems like stronger support for the likelihood of Grandma being Mom's mother than being Dad's. Of course they are bunnies so this may not be mutually exclusive. ScratchMarshall (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Again, you are mining details from the show and attempting to cobble together "facts" which are neither relevant nor necessarily correct. (FWIW - Though I am not an English-speaking rabbit living in a fictional universe, I had two "Grandma"s when I was growing up.) - SummerPhD^v2.0 18:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Any other sources for Bunny surname

I just watched "Max's Preschool" and while this does verify that Paul Bates voiced "Dad" and Caroly Larson voiced "Mom", the credits don't call them Mr. Bunny or Mrs. Bunny so I'm wondering if this originates in any dialogue or images from the show. I'm hoping this isn't just something that Gael Cooper made up. --ScratchMarshall (talk) 23:00, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Sibling Question

Question is Lily really Lousie's Younger Sister in Max and Ruby CoolMouse66 (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes. As Mentioned in the Book Titles "Max & Ruby's Treasure Hunt", and "Max & Ruby's Bedtime Book" But was unknown in the TV Series if Louise and Lily are Related. They are siblings according to the books and Morris might be the cousin of the two bunnies. 2600:4040:7279:EE00:89AB:B650:E4BC:9BF (talk) 23:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

No premiere date has been set for season 8 yet

There are some rumors that it may premiere in 2024 or 2025. 23.245.47.124 (talk) 04:29, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Related to Bluey?

The infobox says that the show is "related to" Bluey, but gives no source for this. This article does not mention Bluey anywhere else, and the article on Bluey does not mention Max & Ruby at all. Is there a source for any relationship, other than both shows having anthropomorphic animal characters? Luke10.27 (talk) 18:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)