Talk:Archie Williams High School

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I am currently attending Drake High School. There are many academies at here at Drake including the SEA-DISC academy which focuses their students on pressing environmental issues.

School to do list[edit]

  • Infobox - done --Hjal 16:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photo(s)
  • Mascot/logo
  • Alumni: Bill Champlin went to Tam--can somebody provide evidence that he also attended Drake? For the other alumni listed, it would be noce to show their class graduation years (whether or not they graduated); Dan Caldwell could be listed both here and at Tam.

--Hjal 05:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Puerile slang[edit]

What the hell. This is wrong. Skeevy is bad, cutty is good.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.30.240 (talk • contribs) 12:18, March 11, 2007

The slang section will be deleted by a serious editor someday, unless you can provide citiations to news articles that show some notable connection to Drake. For example, if a Drake student introduced a widely used term that subsequently swept the middle schools of Northern California, resulting in articles in peer-reviewed sociology journals; or if a Drake sophomore, attempting to pass himself as more "urban" than the typical San Anselman was stomped by a dozen Branson kids, resulting in several indictments and widespread ridicule in Marin Dorks.--Hjal 21:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. I've heard other students using the slang, but I don't think it's restricted to Drake. atomicthumbs 17:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I could list like fifty slang words that drake students use (not including vice slang, which is probably like another hundred) but I couldn't tell you which ones are exclusive to drake and which ones are from Marin/Bay Area/Nor Cal. 67.188.30.240 03:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Name change[edit]

There is a new section that describes the basic facts about the name change. The page name should reflect the new official name once it is adopted.Ynizcw (talk) 23:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

School staff provided a Communication to Community about the name change that says, "We acknowledge the racist and violent acts of Francis Drake, a slave trader, slave owner, and colonizer, and the legacy of white supremacy he represents." This is a basic fact about the reason for the change, so it is important to describe it in this section.Ynizcw (talk) 23:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are now three references to provide context for the above statement in the Communication to Community. They are listed below with relevant quotations.

  • Loades, David (2007). "Drake, Francis (1540–1595) English seaman and circumnavigator". In Hattendorf, John J. (ed.). The Oxford Encyclopedia of Maritime History. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195307405.
    • "He completed his training in trading, slaving, and piracy. Edmund Drake died in 1567, and later that year Drake was given what seems to have been his first command—that of Judith in John Hawkins’s slaving/trading voyage to West Africa and the Indies."
  • Thrower, Norman J. W. (2007). "Drake, Francis". In Buisseret, David (ed.). The Oxford Companion to World Exploration. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195307412.
    • "He is also sometimes credited with laying the foundation of a British empire in Asia through his encounters in the Celebes."
  • White, Richard (2020). California Exposures. New York, N.Y.: W. W. Norton & Company. pp. 1–31. ISBN 978-0-393-24306-2.
    • "The critical date on any monument is not the date of the event or person it commemorates but its construction date, which tells you why it is significant and to whom. This is true of Confederate monuments put up in the Jim Crow era, and it is true of Drake. Enthusiasm for Sir Francis Drake was a phenomenon of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. It is deeply entwined with Anglo-Saxonism [a form of white supremacy], but Drake enthusiasts have always sought to tie the monument to actual sixteenth-century events."
    • "By 2012 the need for a birthplace of an Anglo-Saxon California had run out of steam. The search for Drake had never really been about history; it was about myth. The Drake story was meant to encapsulate the ideological meaning of the United States and California's foundational status. It explained how the United States came to be not just white but Anglo-Saxon; how the land was not taken but given."

@Naeme: removed discussion of the rationale for the name change that included the above supporting references. I am restoring this change and respond to the specific arguments below.

  • While all of the claims in the school's Communication to Community have basis in fact, as discussed below, the main reason for discussing them in this context is that they describe the rationale for the name change. This is relevant information regardless of its factual validity.
  • "The references to Drake's involvement to the slave trade are unsubstantiated..." They are well documented. See Loades, David (2007). "Drake, Francis (1540–1595) English seaman and circumnavigator". In Hattendorf, John J. (ed.). The Oxford Encyclopedia of Maritime History. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195307405.
  • "...and the editor's opinion who works for the school who just changed the name." Unsubstantiated and ad hominem. Assumes bad faith.
  • "Please refer to the main Drake page in Wikipedia for full details." No Wikipedia page should be considered the sole source of truth. That aside, the page does describe Drake's involvement in the slave trade here. The editor does not address the validity of the scholarly references that they deleted with the discussion.
  • "Drake is recognized as a world-famous navigator and an officer in the English Royal Navy." Irrelevant.
  • "He had nothing to do with slave trading or owning them, White supremacy wasn't even an idea in Drake's life nor was colonialism which started hundreds of years after Drake's death." See previous comments regarding slavery. On colonialism, the deleted statement refers to "his role in initiating British colonialism," with a reference to Thrower, Norman J. W. (2007). "Drake, Francis". In Buisseret, David (ed.). The Oxford Companion to World Exploration. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195307412. The editor claims that colonialism had not yet begun during Drake's lifetime, but this is incorrect: see the Wikipedia page on Colonialism, for example. The Spanish and the Portuguese were the dominant colonial powers in the Elizabethan era, and Drake has been celebrated for challenging their colonial hegemony and paving the way for the British Empire. Drake also claimed New Albion for Queen Elizabeth, which as that page notes (with references), "constituted England's first assertion of sovereignty on the North American Pacific coast." The editor is correct that white supremacy had not yet developed during Drake's lifetime, but that is irrelevant to his symbolic role in the white-supremacist ideology of the 19th and 20th centuries, which is discussed in White, Richard (2020). California Exposures. New York, N.Y.: W. W. Norton & Company. pp. 1–31. ISBN 978-0-393-24306-2.

Ynizcw (talk) 05:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Naeme: The unanimity of the trustees in voting for the name change is a relevant indicator of the political support for the change. Restoring this change, also. Ynizcw (talk) 05:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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