Talk:The Doctor Who Role Playing Game

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Goodness! My mind's eye caught a flash of anorak reading the snooty (and unsourced) discussion of this old game's "mediocre knowledge" of the source material. And how dare they "flatly contradict" Mawdryn Undead on the UNIT dating controversy (q.v.). I won't take up a strong defense of any FASA product, but the game designers talked quite plainly about the impossibility of reconciling twenty years of self-contradictory Doctor Who stories into some kind of workable reference timeline. As this fine encyclopedia itself states, there is literally no way to resolve the UNIT dates in a way that won't "flatly contradict" something or other. Mawdryn Undead seems as good a candidate to throw under the bus as anything else. I submit that the FASA folks showed at least as good a knowledge of series continuity as anyone who ever actually worked on the series; don't know how you can ask more than that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.13.219.4 (talk) 22:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance compared to more recent products[edit]

Should this be replaced with an article on the more current (and current in print) Doctor Who Role Playing Game, Adventures in Space and Time, by Cubicle 7?

Both the FASA and Cubicle 7 games have the same name, it's simply that C7 have the current license, and the FASA game is long out of print. Edwardfortune —Preceding undated comment added 17:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Removed statements[edit]

There were some VERY OR/POV statements in the article. I cleaned it up. Anyone wishing to reinsert them will need to use WP:RS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.0.68 (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

POV vs NPOV[edit]

"Confirming" your POV is POV. "Confirming" a reliable source is not POV. Unless you explain what other source(s) the game is supposed to confirm, the only thing that we can assume is that it's confirming your POV, which is POV. The NPOV thing to do do is to succinctly summarise the contents of the game, and the game "identifies" the Master as a later incarnation of the Monk, much like the Big Finish audio plays "identifies" the Monk and the Master as two separate characters. DonQuixote (talk) 11:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No. Prior to the publication of the FASA Role Playing Game, the only officially licensed sources strongly implied that The Monk and The Master were one and the same. But did not state it outright in a way that even someone with a severe mental handicap would deem obvious. Malcom Hulke, Robert Holmes and Terrance Dicks had all stated in interviews and/or novels that there were only two renegade Time Lords...The Doctor and The Master(and that the Master was a new name for that Time Lord as of Terror of the Autons). Barry Letts indicated that character of the Master had existed before Terror of the Autons, but that Delgado is the one who gave it real life and characterisation. And the Doctor Who Production Office had written the official promotional material for The King's Demons which stated that the characterSir Gilles Estram was a character who had talked about "jet airliners by 1320 and Shakespeare being performed on television". Thus, there was an abundance of narrative, promotional and interview material which made it obvious that it was indeed the same character. And nothing, I repeat NOTHING, which said anything to the contrary. However, the officially licensed FASA Game was indeed the first official source that stated The Master is The Meddling Monk in those exact words, thereby "confirming" what everyone already knew, and what had repeatedly been stated already, albeit in a form that didn't state it in the kind of simplistic language that certain people seem to think is necessary.

And "much like the Big Finish audio plays "identifies" the Monk and the Master as two separate characters". What exactly is that supposed to mean? 41.132.228.211 (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"the only officially licensed sources strongly implied that The Monk and The Master were one and the same"

Then please provide such a source that this game is supposed to "confirm"...otherwise we can only assume that it's confirming your POV, which is POV.

"Malcom Hulke, Robert Holmes and Terrance Dicks had all stated in interviews and/or novels that there were only two renegade Time Lords"

Please provide those interviews.

"Barry Letts indicated that character of the Master had existed before Terror of the Autons"

Please provide a source that says that as his current interviews don't indicate any such thing.

"Thus, there was an abundance of narrative, promotional and interview material which made it obvious that it was indeed the same character."

Provide some and I'll rejoice to no end.

"Sir Gilles Estram was a character who had talked about "jet airliners by 1320 and Shakespeare being performed on television""

Please review WP:SYNTHESIS.

""confirming" what everyone already knew"

Confirming your POV is POV.

Again, please provide a source that "confirms" any of the things that you mention, and also please explain what the game is supposed to confirm other than your POV. As for Big Finish, they "identified" the Monk and the Master as two separate characters by having them appear as two separate characters--thereby "confirming" the POVs of people who think of them as two separate characters. The FASA game says one thing and Big Finish says another--both are officially licensed materials. The NPOV thing to do is to accept both POVs as valid.DonQuixote (talk) 14:47, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]